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None in particular, I’m saying there is no excuse for genocide. So to determine if Israel is committing one, the actions of Hamas are irrelevant.

1. Hamas is not taking part in Eurovision.
2. A war crime is a war crime and a genocide is a genocide, no matter the justification.
3. Calling Hammas the aggressor ignores quite a bit of complicated history.

Russia wanted to place nukes on Cuba, the US said ‘if you do this there will be war’ so Russia backed down. This did not lead to an all out invasion of Russia, this lead to a de escalation and Billions of people not dying.

I gave you my honest answer, let me ask you a question in return. Why are you not volunteering? Ukraine has a man power problem because even the Ukrainians don’t want to die for this cause. So if it’s so important, why don’t you go there and stand on a Russian landmine so a Ukrainian conscript doesn’t have to.

Who is committing the hypothetical genocide?

Russia started a war of aggression so it makes sense they are banned from Eurovision till that has been resolved.

Israel is committing war crimes on a scale that is rare in modern history, so also a good reason to be banned.

And bringing up the oktober 7 attacks kinda sounds hollow after the response from Israel. Hammas killed 1.139 and Israel killed well over 25.000.

Indeed it’s not a 1 to 1 comparison. One country is ordered by the ICJ to stop committing a potential genocide, and the other isn’t.

Edit: added the word ‘potential’ to more accurately represent the ICJ ruling.

They’re not gonna. The broadcaster that represents Israel in Eurovision even shared a song on twitter with children singing “Within a year we will annihilate everyone” in Gaza. Before deleting it fearing it would make them complicit in genocide.

https://www.snopes.com/news/2023/11/20/israeli-children-singing-annihilate-gaza/

Russia was very explicit in its intent of breaking that Memorandum, it does not change the fact that promising NATO was dangerous and stupid. And it was also cynical because NATO membership was impossible so long as the conflict in the Donbas was ongoing, effectively forcing Russia to never back down there.

I'm not saying the Russian government are the good guys or the Western governments are the bad guys, I am saying that big states with big armies have interests and the will to use violence to attain those interests, this is how the world works and we should act accordingly. So if a nuclear power says it is willing to go to war over an alliance membership, it should be taken serious and a peaceful solution should be sought.

Right now I am in favour of a cease fire, this does not mean the occupied territories become Russian, it just means the fighting stops. And at this stage of the war I don't think one can say with confidence that a continued conflict increases the chance of Ukraine gaining its territories back. All one can say with confidence is that less people die with a cease fire.

On your last question: I don't have a country, I am a citizen. And if the government (foreign or native) treats me bad enough I might be willing to resist them. But I sure as hell would not want to be conscripted (by any government) to be send into the meat grinder. And if you think differently (and wouldn't mind a night of bad sleep) I invite you to read up on the fait of Ukrainian conscripts; there is a reason Ukraine has trouble finding new recruits, a very good reason.

Yes I have heard of that phrase, as have most people I think.

Russia was very explicit in what would happen if the west kept promising NATO membership to Ukraine, and then it did as promised. No such situation exists for any current NATO or EU member state.

To add to this Russia and Ukraine were already de facto at war since 2014, promising a military alliance to a country at war without expecting escalation is just plain stupid.

And just to reiterate, starting a war of aggression is the principal war crime and should not go without consequences. But we do need to live together with Russia on one continent and this requires concessions from both sides, because the alternative is the mass death and destruction that we now see in Ukraine.

This is not how ven diagrams work, this is not at all how ven diagrams work.

If I was interviewing a Proud Boy it would sound a lot more like that gorilla joke from 1897.