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Well, I'm not familiar with the works of neither, but I'll throw a limb here and say that fighting religion doesn't really means fighting cult mentality. It's better to uproot the tree than laughing at the color of some apples.

Why we can't finally agree on the fact that humans deserve the same rights as others humans because, well, they are all humans, and you kinda can't loose that trait no matter what. It's simple, you are a human, you have the same rights (and obligations) as others humans do.

Guys, is the USA alright?

So, Islam is a religion of peace as long as the other end is peaceful too? Do to others what they do to you. If they start a fight, continue it, and escalate it until total obliteration. Unless there other side now has chosen peace, then don't exterminate them. Yeah, revolutionary spiritual teachings, very deep.

This exchange of arguments actually has planted the seed of wanting to know about Islam better, so I can totally criticize it with better arguments. My "I had the Quran once in my hands briefly and randomly read some out of context retrograde stuff there" pales in comparison to this great teaching you are bringing to the table.

I can see why countries that had some sort of Islamic revolution at some point are totally great places to live. Nothing inhumane happening there.

Seriously, thank you, this has lighten some really weird spark in me about wanting to know even more about religion as I do now. Do you have some recommended materials besides the word of the prophet himself? Some kind of commentary, dictionary, or reference? Anything that would help me navigate such fun and exciting waters. I'm honest with this part, I'm not sarcastic at all, I really want to understand it better.

I'll admit I didn't dig a lot on the context, but I opened the book at random and literally the first thing I found was something along the lines of "yeah, just kill these people and do not forgive them under any circumstances, as they are your enemies". I did it a couple more of times and found similar stuff. The book wasn't mine so I couldn't dig a lot on it at the moment.

I mean, I remember thinking "this book is newer than christianity, how bad could it be?" and then I was nope nope nope...

Well, in your last bit I think you got how. People with little to none emotional bonding, affection and contact, tend to develop psychopathic or at least sociopathic disorders.

My country has never been on that level of misogyny and male dominance, but my dad generation and my grandpa generation were respectively worse than today in terms of women being the house servant, and motherly love and affection was looked down because of the idea it would soften the boys and make them gay or effeminate, too soft to be real men in the future. From young age they learned about your mother and sisters being the ones that occupy themselves with house chores and you are not expected to even learn how to do anything. Males are the ones that bring money, thus deserve to be served.

I see how, in a more extreme setting, your mother is not really more than a human incubator and servant. You had no human contact with her or developed any kind of bond.

I call it Quantum superposition Jesus, or Schrödinger's Messiah.

To be fair, the stuff "mandating" persecution are mostly weird interpretations to justify agenda of a later imperial church. When being honest with the author intent and reading stuff in context, it's never the case. And don't get me started with modern "bible study" that ultimately leads to the current state of the far right and zionist apartheid support.

The few things I have parsed from the Quran, I think is not the same case. That thing was straight up written to justify holy war.

They re not afraid of using women as domestic appliances for reproduction and housekeeping, because they are objects, property. They have problems with other men eyeing their property.

That was never taken literally by christians, where Jesus is god incarnate, why would ever work for islam where he is just considered a prophet.

Well, that was a great article. Thank you.

What seven, America is two and Europe/Asia is counted twice also? I'm from elsewhere and also learned 5

Or, they have to pay royalties to the owners there?