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so I was reading this thread, and I noticed I could read the comment by @[email protected] , while I knew they had deleted the comment. on the other hand, the comment by @Travis Skaalgrad was displayed as deleted, which I knew was incorrect. so I checked a few more times, and I realized when you sort the comments by old or new, you can see it, but when you sort by top, hot or chat, you can't.

well, I thought it might be a bug in federation, but then when I was on the front page, in a thread of lemmy.ml I saw two deleted comments and the user had stated that they have deleted them, but when I sorted by old, I could read one of them.

so I thought maybe recently deleted comments are stored for moderation purposes, but then I found this old thread, and I could see the comment deleted by @[email protected] when I sorted by old.

I think there are two bugs, one that makes some deleted comments remain on the servers, and another one that displays some of them when sorted by old or new, while displaying some comments that are not deleted as deleted.

I was using Lemmy's android client Lemmur, which I had downloaded from F-Droid. post a comment if you can reproduce the bug.

I think calling it libre or foss better shows that we are looking for user freedom as well as transparency, considering that companies like google are mostly associated with the phrase and if you ask people to name some open source projects, they will probably answer chromium and AOSP. so maybe it's better to intentionally choose to say libre or foss instead of open source to make our goals and ideals clear?

considering that lemmy.ml is not a flagship instance, and that we need a general-purpose instance to function as the flagship, how do you want it to be?

how different from lemmy.ml should it be? should we (lemmy.ml) federate with it? do you think it's better to allow something like deradicalization of people with regressive values happen there? do want it to be similar to reddit? how should we prevent it from becoming an alt-right cesspool? do you think the slur filter should remain unchanged? it will need to be listed on join-lemmy, so do you think it's code of conduct should be identical to ours?

so if you haven't come across it, see here , here , here and here .

in short, one side says sources are pro-imperialist, the other side believes they're legitimate sources. then there is one user thinking we have been targeted by troll farms, one accusing others of being conspiracy theorists and stuff like that. it's one of the most unproductive arguements I've seen on Lemmy, something that looks like one those downvoted-to-oblivian threads on reddit. it's just a mess.

I think we can do a few things to prevent such pointless fights in the future:

1. my favoriate response would be creating a community of fact-checker Lemmurs. it'll function similar to a wikipedia talk page, anyone can request a trial for an article shared on c/worldnews , then they will present evidence and sources to challenge the article, while the other side attempts to do the same. personal attacks, accusing of being a troll, asking for a call on jitsi to debate face to face (like seriously?!?!) will be forbidden. both sides will debate untill they reach an agreement. trying to go off-topic, bad faith arguements etc will be forbidden as well.

each time we reach a conclusion, a positive or negative point will be assigned to news source and to the person who posted it. best contributers who show the least bias will get a point as well. overtime it will help us to see if a source is really good or not.

2. a much easier approch would be to let downvotes and upvotes decide the fate of each post. I understand that this is the whole point of lemmy and similar platforms, but right now we have the problem of each side using downvotes and upvotes like it's a battle. posts about internet censoreship and tiny pigs are being downvoted because the person who posts them trusts the Guardian and other news outlets.

3. we can limit the number of posts on c/worldnews to minimize the amount of personal attacks and arguements.

so what do you think? I personally think as more users come to lemmy, we'll be dealling with more diverse opinions, and people might just engage in behaviors that harms the platform and benefits no one. this will be a real problem considering that Lemmy leans far-left. in my opinion having a fact-checking community will be neccessary if we don't want fact-based communities turn into battlefields.

ps: am I going too far and overreacting? to be honest I don't know xD I just think there's no chance for productive political arguements if we can't agree on the facts, and i see no point in what's happening on c/worldnews right now.

What are some new or reddit features that you think will improve Lemmy, and what are the things that you don't want to lay your eyes upon ever?