spiderplant

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[–] [email protected] -5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Oh no! Not a German overcompensating for their countries role in the holocaust.

Both sides fucking suck, the only difference I can see is that HAMAS is bad for Israelis and Palestinians moreso than the Israeli Government is for Israelis.

  • Israel has effectively removed freedom of speech in Israel and are incarcerating thousands of dissenting Israelis (believe it or not this is bad for Israelis)
  • Israel has policies for killing soldiers and civilians if they are going to be taken hostage (dying is generally seen as bad for everyone)
  • Israeli helicopters indiscriminately shooting at the festival are responsible for most of the deaths at the festival on the 7th (pretty bad for Israelis)
  • Israel has killed more Israeli hostages than Hamas and has tried to refuse accepting the return of hostages (I'd be more scared of Israel than hamas if I was a hostage right now)
  • Israel has a 99% civilian kill ratio when targeting hamas in this latest operation (IOF just being a shit army, bad for Israelis to be linked to this)

If you want to dismantle Hamas for the the operation on the 7th, by the same logic we should dismantle Israel 10x for all their operations since 2003 such as operation lead.

[–] [email protected] 50 points 1 year ago (138 children)

If you aren't anti-oppression or anti-apartheid you aren't progressive

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (21 children)

I think its pretty close to a map of countries that don't recognise Palestine, or who continue to benefit from colonialism or globalisation.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Unless you want to do crazy gerrymandering then democracies are as a rule ran by a majority

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Unless you want to do crazy gerrymandering then democracies are as a rule ran by a majority

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (4 children)

South Africa is a representative state dude

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (6 children)

So you're for a 1 state solution with equal rights and a government ran by the majority like south Africa?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

So you're for a 1 state solution with equal rights and a government ran by the majority like south Africa?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

It's like there's a historically sound reason for that or something...the events didn't even happen that long ago.

Its like there's a historical correlation for large armies and fascist states.

But to counter your point, Taiwan keeps on shrinking their army and even dropped conscription despite the even bigger threat of China. They know the US will bail them out just like they would Israel in an all out war. Even looking at all the defending forces in Palestinian or defensive based armies around the world you don't need a large or extremely well equipped army unless you are looking to invade am area.

Yes, because of the aforementioned large military. And maybe they haven't lost someone in the particular fight (although it's a rather asshole thing to even mention) this is not the first time Israel and other Jews have suffered casualties from surprise attacks.

Every surviving family or friend of someone killed is another person given reason to pick up weapons and fight. Every person who is under threat of starvation, physical violence and death is a person justified in their right to defend themselves. When there is a 36x difference in deaths and one side facing such brutality and oppression, the other side has no right to claim victim.

You say that like it's an indicator that they're doing alright. How many people in your area feel the need to have fortified bunkers in in their homes to prevent them from being murdered by people living a few miles away? And how many of those people actually had to use those bunkers in the last month (like many Israelis just did)?

When one side has the psychological and physical safety of a bunker in their home and the other has to face the bombs without any protection it absolutely is an indicator that they are doing alright.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

If they've been there more than 400 years then then you should consider them to have a claim on the land. Either you are a massive hypocrite or you advocate for indigenous peoples in the Americas to take back their land from colonist descendants.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Ah yes let's apply it to the side with rights, running water, food, the biggest military in the middle east, backed by the US, given free reign to commit war crimes by the west, deeply racist, most of the population have not lost family in the fight, has fortified bunkers in every house and have no fear of having their house bulldozed to make way for a stronger neighbours population.

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