Socialism

If we're going to be honest. I don't really care what either of them wrote about. They were both cranks whose works became enshrined by neoliberals and then led to nothing of note. I only talked about them to stay in context.

The reason I think this whole conversation is silly is that you're attempting to steer it toward these model societies that a. don't exist b. by your word are complete fabrications of the authors.

In following this assertion, one cannot examine the intrinsic and inseperable social relationship between an economy and the political system that supports it. You call dialectical materialism pure ideology, yet this thought experiment is like examining the power structures in Harry Potter. It's a complete waste of time.