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Look at all these people making thr same tired fallacious arguments like they've been trained, bud. I'm not sure they're even real people. Rag on Americans, bring up Scandinavian happiness, pretend out system works out of misguided patriotism, and ignore how I mentioned Mexico too.
So, start making arguments that are based in fact that refute what they are saying. I see a lot of comments by you but nothing of substance.
Sources buddy, show us we're wrong with sources.
Sure. You know how when you need a dentist you either pay or have private insurance, but because it's private, you can actually get the care you need in a reasonable time frame? You realize that's because it's not a government monopoly? I'm not playing your fucking "source" game when anyone honest can see what's going on.
No source, no facts
For years now my dentist (who runs a private business) can't get me an appointment every 6 months like recommended because he's too busy, I had to wait months for a repair, same experience for my girlfriend at another dentist.
Tons of people haven't been going to the dentist at all because they couldn't afford it because it's private, it's become so much of an issue that the federal government had to launch the public coverage program.
https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/daily-quotidien/231106/dq231106a-eng.htm
https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/how-often-should-you-go-to-the-dentist-survey-says-many-canadians-aren-t-going-enough-1.6633890
https://www.healthcoalition.ca/more-than-just-a-plan-it-is-a-lifeline-says-denturist-on-the-canadian-dental-care-plan/
It's been a huge success, so much so that dentists can't keep up with the increased demand. Based on what you're saying the fact that dental care is private should mean that demand wouldn't have increased when public coverage started, right? Because private care and private insurance is so much better that everyone gets to go whenever they want and everyone can afford it, right?
The only person not arguing in good faith and lying here is you. The proof being that you're just unable to provide sources to back up your claims but you keep arguing.
Provide a source showing that it doesn't cost Americans more, it should be super easy to do it if it's real.
Funny how you're saying "Google is right there" and when we provide you the numbers of health care expenses per capita in the USA vs Canada that we find on Google you call us liars.
Again, provide a source showing that healthcare spending per capita in the USA is lower than in Canada to prove that our sources are wrong, we've tried to find sources saying you're right but only came up with sources stating the contrary... So... Help us!
Gross vs net income isn't what I'm asking, I'm asking you to show that the total spent per person is lower in the USA because that's what you keep saying, privatized healthcare should cost less than public healthcare and we're paying too much. If that's the case the numbers should be clear, Americans should be spending less per capita than Canadians for healthcare.
You never provided and actual evidence of a private system doing better, all you're doing is talking about anecdotal evidence.
Let me help you with a very basic stat:
Life expectancy:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_life_expectancy
Canada is number 20, USA is number 55
Infant mortality rate:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_infant_and_under-five_mortality_rates
Canada is number 38, USA is number 49 based on the World Bank, Canada is number 43, USA is number 55 based on the CIA World Fact Book (you know about the CIA right? The US agency...), Canada #42 vs USA #52 from 0-1 year old based on the UN
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_anecdote
Also, you're ignoring the actual numbers that include more than just your anecdotes and the numbers are clear, life expectancy in the USA is much lower than in Canada even for the first year after birth, which shouldn't be the case if private healthcare was so much better, right?
So the CIA is lying about US numbers and making them worse?
https://www.cia.gov/the-world-factbook/field/life-expectancy-at-birth/country-comparison/
I'm taking about the actual CIA, the US Central Intelligence Agency, not a Canadian source, THE CIA BUDDY!
Edit: Downvoted me, didn't reply and then got banned... Hopefully that will push him to reflect on his beliefs...