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[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

They literally refer to Crimea as an autonomous republic. What exactly do you think the word autonomous means?

Autonomous republic. Look it up. It has a specific meaning, and it doesn't mean "not really part of".

The notions that these people would somehow be opposed of being reintegrated into Russia after a nationalistic and vehemently anti Russian coup regime took power is frankly absurd.

I was talking about the opinion section of the study, not the identity part. The opinion section shows little concern for ethnic/culture questions, somewhere in the single digits. It also showed a majority favoring the status quo for Crimea, double the number that wanted to join Russia. What would have happened if Russia had not invaded Crimea and annexed them, as well as encouraging separatists in the Donbass region? We'll never know, because Russia never gave the Ukrainian government a chance. They just swept in with soldiers, held a sham election, and took it.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Autonomous republic. Look it up. It has a specific meaning, and it doesn’t mean “not really part of”.

It kind of does actually. Autonomy means that the region is not fully subject to the laws of the Ukrainian state.

What would have happened if Russia had not invaded Crimea and annexed them, as well as encouraging separatists in the Donbass region? We’ll never know, because Russia never gave the Ukrainian government a chance. They just swept in with soldiers, held a sham election, and took it.

Oh but we do know because we know about the atrocities Ukraine has been committing in Donbas for the past 8 years. We literally have documentaries on the subject https://youtube.com/watch?v=AEOy0eRcJxo

[–] [email protected] -1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Oh but we do know because we know about the atrocities Ukraine has been committing in Donbas for the past 8 years.

Those only exist within the context of a separatist movement that was encouraged by Russia and the invasion and annexation of Crimea. There's no way to separate out any action by the Ukraine government from that situation that is largely caused by Russia.

Fun fact, Russia already had a base in Crimea before the coup. They didn’t even have to sweep in there.

There's a difference between just a base and actively operating in the region. Russia said it was sticking to its bases even as it was operating covertly. Well, maybe covertly is giving them too much credit, but they were trying and lying. Then poof! They were operating overly, a mock election was held, and Russia annexed Crimea.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Those only exist within the context of a separatist movement that was encouraged by Russia and the invasion and annexation of Crimea. There’s no way to separate out any action by the Ukraine government from that situation that is largely caused by Russia.

I'll once again link the following slides from this lecture that Mearsheimer gave back in 2015 to get a bit of background on the subject. First, here's the demographic breakdown of Ukraine:

here's how the election in 2004 went:

this is the 2010 election:

As we can clearly see from the voting patterns in both elections, the country is divided exactly across the current line of conflict. Furthermore, a survey conducted in 2015 further shows that there is a sharp division between people of eastern and western Ukraine on which economic bloc they would rather belong to:

Painting that as "a separatist movement encouraged by Russia" is the height of dishonesty.

There’s a difference between just a base and actively operating in the region. Russia said it was sticking to its bases even as it was operating covertly. Well, maybe covertly is giving them too much credit, but they were trying and lying. Then poof! They were operating overly, a mock election was held, and Russia annexed Crimea.

Just like NATO covertly planned and executed a color revolution that then poof overthrew the legitimate government in Ukraine.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

As we can clearly see from the voting patterns in both elections, the country is divided exactly across the current line of conflict. Furthermore, a survey conducted in 2015 further shows that there is a sharp division between people of eastern and western Ukraine on which economic bloc they would rather belong to:

While there are stark differences, all regions show a plurality preferring the EU.

Just like NATO covertly planned and executed a color revolution that then poof overthrew the legitimate government in Ukraine.

So covert, there's no actual evidence that they planned it at all. Just insinuation and conjecture.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago

While there are stark differences, all regions show a plurality preferring the EU.

except that they clearly do not

So covert, there’s no actual evidence that they planned it at all. Just insinuation and conjecture.

There are mountains of evidence and entire research papers, but do go on.