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That kind of talk is why Trump won.
As a Canadian, I honestly believe your election was rigged and has been since 2000.
Corporations own your country, it's very obvious. The only way you can influence your government at this point is collective action which will never happen cause you have iPhones to use to get your anger out.
I’m not disputing your theory, in fact I think it’s likely but how do you think they’re actually doing it?
like this
Diabolical!
Voting machines, many of which are owned by private corporations
In swing states, yes. But for the majority of americans not in a swing state, their gripes are at least somewhat valid thanks to gerrymandering.
Gerrymandering has been a huge problem for a while, what makes you think this time it played a pivotal role in Trump's victory? If that was the case, he would have won the electoral vote but not the popular vote, but he won the popular vote, first Rep pres to do so in 20 years apparently. It helped secure past Rep presidencies, but doesn't to have done so this time around.
Jerrymandering doesn't play any role in who gets elected president, just the house of reps.
Gerrymandering only impacts the House of Representatives and no impact on the president or any other government positions.
Gerrymandering does affect the electoral college, which affects the presidency.
All states except Maine and Nebraska use a party block voting, or general ticket method, to choose their electors, meaning all their electors go to one winning ticket.
This system has a winner-take-all nature similar to first-past-the-post voting for single-member districts, which is vulnerable to gerrymandering and majority reversals.
The number of electors to the electoral college are chosen by the number of congressional districts and 1 for each state senator in a state regardless of how those maps are drawn.
Texas has 38 congressional districts and 2 senators from the state, so they have 40 electors to the electoral college. That number does not change regardless how the maps are drawn. Same for every other state in the country.
Democrats is why Trump won.
Lack of resistance is why Trump won. Democrats are part of that, but the blame hardly lies on them alone.
Votes do matter, they're just not enough on their own.
It's hard to claim lack of resistance when the entire party was shifting to the hard right trying to attract that hard right vote. They cozied up to war criminals, cops zionists and the right wing while blowing right-wing dog whistles there was no resistance
They were still better on some policies. There would have been space to pressure them in the next four years, build support for a progressive party in local and state elections where they thought they were safe and so on. I can't imagine any timeline where a Trump victory won't be objectively worse on many issues. Like I said, the Dems bending over is part of that lack of resistance, but the unwillingness of many voters to vote against Trump, if nothing else, is also a factor.
How are you consciously standing by idly while watching an out-and-open authoritarian take the lead? How are you seeing Musk of all people crawl up his butt and figure "yeah, I'd rather let him take the reigns"?
Not my problem, this is a mess created by liberals for not demanding better of their elected officials or ever holding them accountable for their actions, which is why politics keep getting worse every cycle. As a party they knew they can do whatever they want with no repercussion because voters are trapped in a cycle where they feel there are only 2 options and will come crawling back to them at election time.
Harris: 75,012,178 votes
Trump: 77,302,416 votes
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3 million people voted third party, nearly 90 million people didn’t vote at all- and you blame democrats….
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Yes. Democrats alienating the people whose votes they need to win is absolutely a democrat problem.
You’re not owed your ass kissed for a vote. That’s not how it works. A candidate has to try to appeal to more than single issue voters. Historicity this has been proven true.
And I said a candidate needs to appeal to a wider audience than to court single issue voters. If those single issue voters understood this, maybe things would have gone differently.
You sure showed them, didn’t you?
I hope you didnt learn the wrong lesson. I was doing post mortem on arguments I had before the election and you came up. Decided to check in on you. My heart was so full after reading this. I know we didn't have the impact we wanted but to see you put aside grievances and made the hard choice is moving me right now. I wanted so badly for you to be astroturfing when I clicked your name but to find this was much much better and gave me a glimpse of some long lost hope I use to have.
No, it's not on you, its on me. I just thought there was no way this person was going to show up this election and I thought it of a lot of people. I held on to that even knowing most people's votes are made insignificant by the electoral college. The only lesson I learned is just to trust other people's judgment and I don't have the answer. So I just have to trust someone else might. Or just generally there is more goodness in the world then mindless hate.
Play stupid games win stupid prizes
Except it's genocide
If it wasn't for Hillary's pied Piper strategy, Trump never would have been elevated with billions of dollars in free media to become president. If it wasn't for Kamala Harris embracing right-wing politics and every policy of bidens that the public opposed, we wouldn't have Trump right now. Democrats are toxic poison and are their own worst enemy
Riiiiight. It’s always something other than what the numbers show.
The numbers show that the dem's embrace of right-wing policies (and genocide) were wildly unpopular, the thing we have been screaming for 4 years.