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Yes, just go-to .ml or any of the other 2 in the Tankie Triad to see for yourself
And then realize that if the point of leftist views is to liberate us from right-wing subjugation, and what the authoritarian left wants to do is still subjugate most of us, then maybe they're not our allies at all, actually. They're just fascism wearing a different, more ridiculous, hat
Fascism is inherently right wing. There are no left versions of fascism.
exactly
What if I told you that Stalin actively pursued several fascist policies?
What if I told you those were authoritarian and not fascist inherently and youre simply too dense to understand the nuance here...
so what's the nuance here? While striving for communistic utopia on paper, Stalin's regime is quite fascistic from my perspective.
I don't like to do that, but here's quote from wikipedia:
Stalin's regime does not correspond to the definition of fascism only in terms of how nationalistic it was, since the USSR was quite multinational, and had an objective to give prosperity to everyone regardless of one's nation, although a number of actions were performed in order to preserve cultural and linguistic uniformity. Supression of Ukrainian poetry (see "Executed Renaissance"), linguistic bans, deportation of Crimean Tatars - those are the examples that i know of, but there were more in other regions.
Fascism is a broad term, and sometimes it's used to refer to literally any authoritarian regime. While i don't quite agree, and think that we should call it fascism only if it's made in Emilia-Romagna region of Italy circa first half of XX century, otherwise it's just a sparkling totalitarism, most people find the modern definition quite handy, and being that pedantic equals to being buzzkill anyways. In other words, i think it's ok to call Stalin a fascist if you're not a history geek (in the latter case i kinda feel your pain tho).
That would meanStalin pursued some right wing policies. Fascism is far right.
How is purging minorities and forcefully relocating them in order to kill some of them and assimilate the rest a far right policy and not a fascist policy?
Fascism is by definition a far right ideology.
So, Stalin was both far left and far right at the same time?
No he was far left and he utilized policies based on right wing thinkers if your claim is accurate.
There's no such thing as left wing fascism. Fascism is capitalistic in theory and authoritarian there's nothing about it that would make it a left wing ideology.
Tbh, I came into this discussion to show how right wing and left wing do not have a useful definition to discuss real world policies. I don't think that classifying ideologies as left or right wing matters to the people suffering under them.
Not if you're talking about the disadvantages of authoritarianism (oppression and violence).
Fascism has a very clear definition that you do not understand. What you think when you think "fascism" is actually authoritarianism.
You might think differently if you spend more time studying political philosophy but I believe most understand the limitations of binaries. Both states are authoritarian but at no point will the USSR have pursued fascism as fascism is inherently anti-Marxist.
The problem with political philosophy is that actual politicians are often very ignorant of it. They just do whatever keeps them in power or increases the amount of power they wield.
USSR gave up on proper Marxism relatively early. They could have made a fascist turn with someone like Beria in charge.
USSR already had a personality cult in Lenin, militarism, control of media, suppression of dissent, economic control and collectivism.
The only thing that USSR lacked to be considered a fascist regime was nationalism (although I would argue that their attempts to create a homo sovieticus should count) and private industry (maybe if a fascist regime lasted for long enough they would nationalise industry too).
Beria’s politics weren’t fascist though and turning fascist would be very hard for a state built in bolshevism as fascism is anti-bolshevik.
We have reached the point of the discussion where it becomes a discussion in semantics: What is fascism?
An ultranationalistic authoritarian conservative government built around a failing capitalist economy.
If you know anything about the history of fascism you should know it arises as a response to Marxism.
The lands and the people around me were heavily scarred by both.
Both fascism and marxism emerge from an assumed conflict within the system: fascism from a conflict between nations and marxism from a conflict between classes.
A failing economy, capitalist or otherwise, is just used as a tool for these ideologies to come into power.
Saying that a movement that aims to change the social order so severely is conservative is also a bit silly.
Both ideologies thrive during periods of crisis, and when one emerges, another might appear nearby. In that case, they will act like one opposes another but the act of opposition to an ideology also reinforces it.
Hey, c'mon now, say what you like about MLs, but Soviet hats are cool
Fascism already took a perfectly good mustache from us, don't let it take the fuzzy hats, too!
At least Pringles Man did the heroic job of reclaiming the Stalin stache before it could be ruined forever o7
"Pringles Man" initially had no name, only referred to as "Mr. P". Now, he is called Julius Pringles, after a 2006 Wikipedia hoax, eventually being "made canon" by Kellogg in 2013.
I dont think lemmy.ml deserves to be put next to lemmygrad and hexbear
Its more of a duo with lemmy.ml as lite version
They (Tankie admins and mods of .ml) wants to be more like Hexbear, but are keeping it tamped down just enough to avoid what happened with Hexbear and grad where a lot of instances started defed'ing from them
[email protected] See the pinned post regarding Nutomic, FYI Nutomic is the lead dev of Lemmy and the lead admin of .ml
Here's a post I made the other day that one of their more prominent members made, though I realize now it's in the context of making a mastodon instance, I think it still speaks to their desire to be closer to their "Hexbear comrades" https://lemmy.world/post/24842765
I got banned from .bz for suggesting that DEI and CRT have links to Neo-Marxism, and got called a bigot for it.
If someone doesn’t want to read my posts, they don’t have to, it’s their right not to 🤷♀️
But it is unconscionable and egregious to call someone a bigot because they don’t fit your narrow and extreme ideology. I am literally the exact opposite of a bigot, lol
/rant
So what if DEI has links to Marxists? Marxist sociology isn’t inherently incorrect.
CRT is a law school technique for determining the impact of laws ok populations. Im not sure why that would be Marxist.
... beg pardon
Tbh it doesn’t matter, at the end of the day I will do what I can for everyone’s civil rights the way any one person can, democratically.
Lol literally all of .ml, "Something even slightly critical of China/Russia/NK" Banned for Rule 1: bigotry