Men's Liberation
This community is first and foremost a feminist community for men and masc people, but it is also a place to talk about men’s issues with a particular focus on intersectionality.
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Non-masculine perspectives are incredibly important in making sure that the lived experiences of others are present in discussions on masculinity, but please remember that this is a space to discuss issues pertaining to men and masc individuals. Be kind, open-minded, and take care that you aren't talking over men expressing their own lived experiences.
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Recommended Reading
- The Will To Change: Men, Masculinity, And Love by bell hooks
- Politics of Masculinities: Men in Movements by Michael Messner
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Or perhaps I just think differently than you.
Perhaps. It's also possible you're confusing capitalism with a market economy in general. Market economies are pretty useful, but capitalism in particular generates massive wealth inequality.
You think differently because you don't understand what you are thinking about. You think you do, but you don't. It's called false consciousness. Which our world is full of as oppressive systems such as capitalism naturally make use of false consciousness.
This is to say, you don't know what capitalism is.
Let me try this again in light of trying to meet you where you are at instead of just saying "wrong" and moving on.
What do you think the article meant by its title? What do you think it ment by "capitalism" so we can be on the same page.
Am I needed in this discussion? I thought that you can read my mind when you're so confidently educating me about my own views.
Or just try not to be on the same page at all. Also okay.
There's no easy way to tell someone on the Internet that they are wrong without sounding patronizing. All I can say is that I genuinely want to try and explain something to you that you clearly do not understand. I would like you to understand. I would like for us to be able to talk about this topic. I mean this with love and sincerity. That's the best I can do.
Probably both.
I do not think it's worth acknowledging a difference in opinion when the problem at its core is the difference in what those words mean. I don't think we have a difference in opinion. I think he does not know what I or the article mean. If someone could just find the words to tell him in a way he understands then I feel we would be surprised to see that no disagreement existed in the first place.
Now to find the words...
I think you may have better luck by adopting the Mr Roger's style of communication.
Telling someone they don't know what a word means probably is going to make them become defensive and bounce off instead of engaging with what you're saying, regardless of you being correct.
I appreciate the video and advice. You are right, it does make people instantly defensive. I actually never really watched Mr Rodgers as a kid. My dad thought PBS was communist propaganda lol. So I will try to learn from this best I can. Thank you.