Men's Liberation
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Recommended Reading
- The Will To Change: Men, Masculinity, And Love by bell hooks
- Politics of Masculinities: Men in Movements by Michael Messner
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The women whose minds are also enslaved to the patriarchy encourage this. Sounds like we're saying the same thing
Not really. I'm referring to women enjoying the benefits they get from having others do the work for them.
Trying to argue that they can't enjoy this without some overarching control is just reinforcing the idea that women can't think for themselves.
Good job doing your part to reinforce the idea that women should be treated like children.
Interesting perspective. I think we're arguing from two different viewpoints here. Mine is that the women I'm referring to have a sense of entitlement to male servitude (the sole cause of this i proclaim to be patriarchy) while yours seems to be they don't necessarily feel entitled, but are just "enjoying the spoils of war" so to speak.
Yes, exactly.
Although I will agree with you that there are women out there that feel as though they are 'owed' something due to the historical treatment of women.
Then I'm inclined to agree with you.
How do you think we can solve the consumerism and greed problem then? I'm guessing just axe capitalism?
It's a cultural problem and it requires cultural solutions.
We need to value different things, and that's purposefully vague because it applies to so many aspects of our lives.
I've recently been thinking of it as a 'war on modesty,' which is what we need to see value in in order to fight back against consumerism.
Do more with less. Appreciate what we have. Those kinds of things.
It's unfortunate that these basic suggestions could solve such major problems, but I believe that's how far we've strayed from the truth.
Yeah it's a very sensationalist solution, and quite utopian almost. Society praises individuals with the means to obtain material possessions at the drop of a hat. You also have figures like Andrew Tate who preach that it should be one's goal. I think we're far past that point of culture shift as consumerism seems to be ingrained in our nature at this point.