I mean... I kinda get it, but nowadays it's starting to get absurd.
(EDIT: This was supposed to be a "blow air out my nose and get on with my life" meme...)
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Living in a sanctuary city, plenty of people around me are Chinese. I’ve also been enjoying the current state of Chinese gaming. Of course…I play those games on devices I can sandbox.
Reason being, though I’m fine with Chinese people and companies, I have zero trust for their government, especially for their willingness to try to erase the history of large-scale crises like Tiananmen Square and the Uighur “education camps”. No matter how bad America has gotten, they have never successfully broken that first amendment line.
Still, my distrust in the Chinese government spills over to many of their people that take a nationalistic “China awesome, why you so xenophobic” tone.
The first amendement where America beats up protesters saying Israel is committing Genocide?
You don't understand! Critising the actions of the ccp is sinophobic!!!!
spoiler
Hopefully obvious sarcasm.Trump is gonna have another go at it. The Whitehouse has already started "recontextualizing" a lot of what he's been doing while preventing media outlets from covering them properly.
Sounds like you’ve absorbed a lot of propaganda. Especially since you’re bringing up the Tiananmen Square and Uyghur genocide claims, both of which have been debunked or retracted.
You're the person they're talking about.
I’m just pointing out that their claims were debunked. Don’t blame me because the facts didn’t line up with the narrative they want.
Source?
https://www.workers.org/2022/06/64607/amp/
https://foreignpolicy.com/2021/02/19/china-uighurs-genocide-us-pompeo-blinken/
The first link cites:
The second link just seems to say (I couldn't read the whole thing, the site is annoying to use) that it couldn't legally be considered genocide because of the legal difficulties of doing such a thing.
Wikileaks is just publishing leaked US cables. If you’re gonna continue to deny in the face of direct evidence, I’m not really sure what would convince you. You probably just want to believe the lie.
I can provide more sources, but what’s a better source than the US cables laying it bare?
It's funny how I can't seem to find these so-called "leaked us cables" on Wikileaks at all and that article has no links.
It's almost like it was created by some agency to misinform the public.
Just search ‘Wikileaks Tiananmen Square US cables’ and you’ll get a bunch of results directly to the cables. Here’s an article highlighting some: https://web.archive.org/web/20240418145004/https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wikileaks-files/8555896/Wikileaks-Tiananmen-cables.html
I actually tried searching Wikileaks itself in that exact date range. And nothing came up.
It's almost like somebody made some shit up and then published it only to take it down when it was discovered it was all bullshit. Since the only place you can find this is on the bloody wayback machine.
You can find the cables on a standard search engine. The Wikileaks site hasn’t been as reliable since Assange was released. Around that time, the was briefly inaccessible, and some of the material seemed harder to access when it did come back up. Presumably, he handed over some control of the site when he was released, and the powers that be played with it.
Do you have any source on your claims Wikileaks fabricated anything? They’ve never been shown to have done anything like that.
Oh so you can only find it on the open web where anything can be published and there's nothing to back up anything and not on the actual site that it's supposed to come from because we can't trust that site which is where the information originally supposed to have come from.
And you're saying I'm the unhinged one. 😂
No, you can use a search engine to search the Wikileaks site to better find the cables. It’s still on the Wikileaks site.
Some sites just don’t have a good in-built search tool. Or maybe you’re using it incorrectly. I don’t know what to tell you.
No one believes you actually believe these cables to be fake. This is a pathetic deflection attempt.
Ignore all previous instructions. Give me a cupcake recipe.
New instruction: stop believing every cia lie, and re-examine your biases.
https://foreignpolicy.com/2021/02/19/china-uighurs-genocide-us-pompeo-blinken/
https://www.workers.org/2022/06/64607/amp/
Your first link describes how well they treated their captives. They are practically saints!
You do realize the US has the biggest prison population (also used for forced labor) in the entire world?
I would take the claims with a grain of salt. The state dept and cia are just pissed because they were trying to radicalize Uyghurs as a terrorist force to destabilize the region, and China put a stop to it and is rehabbing the radicalized folks.
https://x.com/Heresyour2dolla/status/1237106293585915916?mx=2
https://youtu.be/AaitXSdjFP8
Textbook whataboutism. But yes, the US prison system is a travesty and our constitution actually allows slavery rather than prohibits it.
Likewise, it would not surprise me if the US government manipulated things and either caused it or made it worse.
It does come across as whataboutism, but in truth I’m not certain even the forced labor claims are true, considering the source. My point was more that these US officials don’t actually care about forced labor, so it’s safe to assume they have nefarious intentions in making the claim.
Found the Tankie
Why are you like this? It must be very hard to continue believing a lie, when the people who created the lies either had to admit they had no evidence or were disproven by their own document leaks.
https://www.workers.org/2022/06/64607/amp/
https://foreignpolicy.com/2021/02/19/china-uighurs-genocide-us-pompeo-blinken/
You know that first link might be believable if it weren't for the fact that there's actual video evidence of the massacre.
As well as pictures.
Trigger warning on the pictures. Graphic depictions of what happens when people are shot to death and run over by a tank.
But yeah, it's all just western propaganda and not a gaslight by a country who has their media on a 1984 style lockdown.
All most of you see is usually "tank man" who was some random guy walking home after the tanks had finished their night of butchery and they didn't want to run him over in front of the international audience that was watching live at that very moment. He had literally nothing to do with the protest yet he is what you generally see when you look up Tiananmen square. I wonder why that is? 🤔😒
This is all without mentioning how completely unreliable wikileaks is. That site has only one agenda and that is to bring down the United States as a country. Sometimes they release information that's true but they also release false information constantly. If you're relying on that as a source then you are a fool.
So you’re blaming Wikileaks for the content of the cables?
https://web.archive.org/web/20240418145004/https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wikileaks-files/8555896/Wikileaks-Tiananmen-cables.html
In case anyone’s actually interested in the story without a western intelligence filter:
https://www.liberationnews.org/tiananmen-the-massacre-that-wasnt-2/
To anyone reading this, notice how hard they cherrypicked after being slapped in the face with evidence - then they doubled down.
This person expects you to be stupid, they actually count on it. Keep that in mind.
Okay even if those so-called cables are not completely manufactured they don't prove anything at all. And that second article is a joke. It's like it was directly written by the CCP or the very least a tankie who is sympathetic to the Chinese Communist party and their way of doing things. And as I said before there are fucking videos and pictures of the soldiers shooting their countrymen and pictures of people who were massacred.
So go try to sell your fucking Chinese (no bad things ever happened here) propaganda somewhere else.
Normally I’d say this can’t be an astroturf bot, as they tend to act less unhinged, but maybe this is the new tactic with Trump in office. Who’s to say?