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Swedish Prime Minister Ulf Kristersson admitted that his government has lost control over a burgeoning wave of violence sweeping the country, amid escalating public concern.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (3 children)

Funny how Sweden didn’t have these issues of gang minorities until they started passing more discriminatory policies against minorities years ago.

The problems started with de facto housing segregation, more like at least a decade or two ago, similar overall (but less intentional) as France and its Banlieue. They built housing that was unpopular with native Swedes for the simple reason of being in the wrong place, and if you, back then, said "wait this might cause trouble maybe we should take more care to mix people up, somehow" well you didn't because Swedes suck at complaining. Muttering at the kitchen table, sure, but publicly? Heavens, that would disturb social cohesion.

Thus the segregation issue wasn't nipped in the bud, or at least in early flower, as many other countries did, so it festered into lack of perspective and inclusion, and then it burst and you got angry kids on the one side and the Sweden Democrats on the one side and let's not forget the likes of Iran literally paying kids to kill people to make the situation even worse because Iran has a chip on their shoulder over Swedes being, on the international stage, arrogant, self-righteous, know-it-all swots.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 hours ago (2 children)

The problems started with de facto housing segregation, more like at least a decade or two ago

In the 90's when a law was passed to allow immigrants to settle wherever they wanted. Imagine moving to a new country where you don't speak the language but there's a place that have plenty of countrymen living. I'd settle there of course, and the segregation is a fact

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 hours ago

You don't necessarily need such law to avoid these issues, there's urban planning considerations that naturally mix people up, for starters, don't put all social housing in one place, and, if at all possible, I prefer that kind of nudging over hard laws. It's having neither that is a recipe for disaster.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 hours ago

Swedes do the same - and then brag about how they in their retirement home in Spain can speak Swedish all the time with other Swedes and Swede-run stores

[–] [email protected] 7 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Yeah this is what people often miss. Its okay and good to realize when certain groups are more violent, because that usually isnt entirely their fault, but rather the fault of the people forcing them to live in slums or otherwise bad conditions. But even just one layer of meta analysis is too much for many people i think.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

You are the product of your environment. So if you are placed in an environment that has violent tendencies, there’s a good chance you end up violent as well.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

Grew up like this in some godforsaken place where no one wanted to live somewhere in Europe and I’m still in therapy because of that. Had to realize that I grew up experiencing extreme verbal and physical violence. I personally grew up thinking that’s normal and everyone experiences it until I started therapy and realized how crazy the things were that I saw and experienced. When I met people of “my“ culture for the first time who just moved to my place I didn’t understand why they were so different than the people I grew up with (talking about the kids & teenagers here).

[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 hours ago

Swedes being, on the international stage, arrogant, self-righteous, know-it-all swots.

We're damn proud of it, too! It's just a fact. Swedes are the best, and Sweden is the best country on Earth.

/Swede