Men's Liberation
This community is first and foremost a feminist community for men and masc people, but it is also a place to talk about men’s issues with a particular focus on intersectionality.
Rules
Everybody is welcome, but this is primarily a space for men and masc people
Non-masculine perspectives are incredibly important in making sure that the lived experiences of others are present in discussions on masculinity, but please remember that this is a space to discuss issues pertaining to men and masc individuals. Be kind, open-minded, and take care that you aren't talking over men expressing their own lived experiences.
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Slurs, hate speech, and negative stereotyping towards marginalized groups will not be tolerated.
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Do not participate if you have been linked to this discussion from elsewhere. Similarly, links to elsewhere on the threadiverse must promote constructive discussion of men’s issues.
Recommended Reading
- The Will To Change: Men, Masculinity, And Love by bell hooks
- Politics of Masculinities: Men in Movements by Michael Messner
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Dude you want to honestly argue that male voices are not present enough in general population? Where do you live?
Male (and female) voices are different.
If you go in line with the patriarchal system and keep your mouth shut about genuine issues you might have, you'll face no shortage of attention.
The second you go against this formula, you'll likely find yourself severely ostracised. Try talking about how cool it is to be a househusband, or how knitting is actually good, and try to find an audience. Tell people around that you pursue passion over money, and good luck building a family. Tell anyone about things in which men are genuinely disadvantaged - and then not be claimed as a whiny hypocritical bitch.
As a woman, go full tradwife and you'll be praised. Talk about the joy of maternity and people will translate it. Go gentle, don't contest the positions of power, and you'll get your attention very briefly.
It's not a male vs female thing. It's about men and women for/against patriarchy, and while women have managed to overcome a significant share of gender stereotypes, men have not, and it's not that feminism is there to help.
That is not my experience, and I'm sorry if it's yours. But than again you are talking about normalizing pressure from the conservative society that tries to preserve traditional gender roles. That one is not on feminism. And there are men in position of power with platforms and I would argue there are quite diverse male voices, if you inclined to look for them.
I'm not sure that this is the experience most women make. Seems a bit magnetosphery influenced perception.
I really don't get why feminism which tries to diversify gender roles does not help men. It helped me.
I'm not saying all the issues I raise are caused by feminism, I just note it doesn't help to solve them.
Feminism diversifies female gender roles, and what it does for men is collateral. It's not a movement about men. Diversity in gender roles and expressions for everyone is part of wider antisexism, which counts both inputs for the greater good of both genders (and also nonbinary people).