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Ahead of Chair Vote, Progressives Say DNC 'Failing Disastrously' to Learn From Loss to Trump
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I don't know.
But I do know who Democrats need to win back if they want to win in 2028. And those voters are mostly centrists.
Im dying to know: what sort of voters do you think democrats were focusing on grabbing for this past election?
Centrists. The ones who decided this election. And also decided the 2020 election.
So you're saying that democrats focused on catering to centrists for 2025, lost spectacularly, and the new strategy needs to be.... catering to centrists?
The DNC needs to hire you. Something something, the definition of insanity is....
I'm saying Democrats successfully won centrists in 2020 (and 1992, and 1996, and 2008, and 2012) but failed to do so in 2024.
They need to understand why. But the solution is probably not "be less centrist".
So, by "centrist" you mean Reich Wingers?
So, to win, they just need to become a more right wing party? I'm sure that's a winning strategy... Which it may be. Its certainly not a strategy to represent the working class, though.
By centrist, I'm specifically referring to Latinos and Gen Z males. They were Biden voters in 2020 and shifted to Trump in 2024. Democrats need to win those groups back. And they don't seem to care much about class war.
That's not what a centrist is.
Have you bothered to look into why younger Latinos and Gen Z males flocked to the fascist candidate? It wasn't because fascism is closer to the center than the Dems are... Spoiler, go play some multiplayer FPS to hear why.
Nobody knows for sure why, not even people who play FPS games.
What is clear is that Democrats need to win them back. Democrats don't seem to think leftism will win them back, and I agree.
I dunno, the racial slurs, homophobic slurs, misogynistic slurs tend to give it away to me...
We disagree on the latter, maybe. But then what's your solution? Dems become just as openly fascist as the GOP?
I mean, just say you don't want a liberated working class at that point, and just start saying the quiet part out loud: The Dems and the GOP are two faces of the same ruling oligarchs.
If the goal is power, for power's sake, do you really want those people telling you what to do? Do you enjoy the image of a boot stomping on a human face for all eternity?
Democrats won in 1992, 1996, 2008, 2012, and 2020 without resorting to open fascism. That's five of the last nine elections, which is roughly what you'd expect in a two party system.
I'm confident they can do it again in 2028.
No. But that's an image of what has historically happened after leftists took power.
It's also what I expect from a uniparty, with two faces, each getting "equal time".
Maybe. If we have elections.
Ah, you're one of those people that also think North Korea is a Democratic Republic ran by the people, huh?
I forgot all about North Korea.
So no. I was thinking of all the faces stomped by Lenin, Mao, and Pol Pot.
Right, you think North Korea is a Democratic Republic ran by and for the people, because, well, they claim to be.
Now, extrapolate that to the USSR, which honestly wasn't even socialist since about 1918 when they decided to murder workers for going on strike, and also murdering the people who actually made the revolution happen.
And, the Nazis too... They weren't actually socialists, you know, right?
Lenin, Mao, and Pol Pot were most certainly leftists. We all know what happened after they took power.
You can extrapolate that after leftists take power, they degenerate into non-socialists who murder people. That's still a good reason to keep leftists away from power.
Ah yes, the centrists! You know the ones who "both sides" everything, and turns out? They just vote Trump?
How many more centrists do you think the Dems will need to court? Wasn't Dick Cheney enough? You know, the war criminal?
How about, like, maybe just trying to listen to the working class?