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Due to recent events in the USA, there has been discussion against becoming a citizen by being born in that country.

Generally, is the a problem with jus soli and what is the alternative?

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

I suppose people just dislike the idea of 'anchor babies'. That is, if you're going to illegally enter a country, you should be pregnant (or take a pregnant wife with you) so that when they're born the state has to decide if it wants to deport the parents of an American citizen. That probably the emotional resistance to it. At least I've not heard people have problems with it in the context of legal migrants who start life in America, marry and have kids who are then citizens..

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

What would be the solution? Because illegal immigration is going to continue happening anyway. Jus soli would have to be replaced by something else.

A callous proposal would be deportation of parents and baby after birth if both parents are illegal immigrants. But that would only drive illegal immigrants to give birth outside of hospitals and without proper care and probably send mortality up.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 weeks ago

I don't think there's an easy solution. There are a lot of people who don't regard tolerating illegal entry in any form to be a workable solution. I should think they disagree with you over whether illegal crossing can be stopped. They just regard the punishment to not be high enough. Callous as you say. But I should think they'd regard the toleration of undocumented crossings that a tiny minority of are criminals evading detection is also callous on the people that suffer as a result.

I personally think more liberal but documented movement in tiers is a solution. But I don't think the status quo of what America had been doing - tolerating illegal crossings and toying with the idea of naturalising undocumented people - was a solution because the writing was on the wall for a long time that America was democratically moving against it. The catastrophe that's currently happening is the result.

Some people just don't regard illegally entering a country to be a misdemeanor, rather they regard it as a serious offence. Such stances are usually as emotional as they are reasonable. But so is most politics..