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it was not rigged. the voters didn't like Biden Harris or the situation in Palestine along with the fact nothing major changed. We fought and voted, where are the politicians helping? And now we're here
This might be a hot take and I have nothing backing this up but: I don't think the average US voter gives a fuck about the Palestinians or the US support of Israel. The people who do are a vocal but tiny minority, even among Democrat voters. That minority still likely voted overwhelmingly for Kamala. I just don't think the Israel Palestine issue had any affect at all on the election. If you look online, you'd think it was the single biggest failure of the Democrat party. Which...it is, morally speaking. But I don't think it decided the election. I'd love to be proven wrong but I think Americans don't care about foreigners.
Yeah, to me personally as a non-American, it looks a lot like issues like Palestine were just the excuse for certain fence sitters to support who they really wanted to support but with justifications and less guilt. In fact, Trump even suggested nuking Palestine in the months leading up to the election and I barely heard a peep about it from the Palestine crowd because they were too busy trying to convince everyone to not vote Democrat.
I think that the main reason Trump won is because his opponent was a woman who also has brown skin. Anything else is just scrambling for excuses and justifications so that they don't have to look in the mirror and be ashamed of what they see. Because anyone that actually has at least half a brain could see from a mile away that one side was bad but the other side was much, much worse.
Definitely her gender and skin color had an impact. What Trump and the maga crowd successfully did was present an appealing narrative. Even the most politically apathetic Americans feel like something is wrong. Tech companies and large companies in general have an increasing level of control over our lives. Cost of living is going up with no sign of stopping. The right made it sound like these problems were the result of "elites" in business, Washington, and colleges pushing an unamerican agenda (via immigrants, indoctrination, etc). This is enough to convert many not overtly racist people to vote for racist anti-intelectual policies. What the left truly failed to do was present the real narrative that capitalism is to blame. I remain convinced that a candidate running on economic populism will sweep an election. Those people just need a better narrative.
Yeah, also a view as an outsider, your Democrat party truly does fucking suck. With the exception of Bernie Sanders, AOC and maybe Pete Buttigieg (I've seen people talk about how good he is but I've never seen him make the same splash as these other two from all the way across the ocean here), the rest of them are all fucking animated corpses mimicking basic life signs.
I guess it's easy for me to say from all the way over here "just vote for the lesser evil" but I don't envy you guys because it often looks like you're stuck between a rock and a hard place in that regard too.
I think that you guys maybe need to get over your fear of introducing another party. There's always this talk about how they'll take votes away from the main two but then less than 50% of the population even bothers to vote in the first place. Maybe if there was something worth voting for, another political party led by people who are actually alive and have energy would attract that 50% non voting population.
I was talking about this the other night with a friend. We kind of agree that now is a good time for a shift. The Democrat party has never been so powerless. Either a drastic realignment of the Democrat party (what I think will happen) or a truly leftist party supplanting them (what I hope happens) has never been more likely. Fighting right wing authoritarian populism with vaguely liberal platitudes just doesn't work. Kamala's massive defeat proved that. I think the midterm election will be a test of left wing unity. Can we rally behind a coherent message? Or will we see a bunch of Democrats running on a platform of "we're not maga so vote for us" again?
Once again, just want to make clear that I'm an outsider looking at news articles and memes, so forgive me if I'm speaking out of turn here. But based on what I've seen so far, this seems unlikely to me. All I've seen from the Democrats at this point is how they're getting annoyed with progressives for pushing them to actually do their jobs. And all indications look like they're more interested in attracting 'reasonable' right wingers and fence sitting centrists that weigh up the pros and cons of human rights vs egg prices, than actually trying to attract left wing voters.
The current Democrat party is like that, yes. However, if this proves ineffective, you'll see more Democrat candidates with an experimental message. Historically, this is how it has played out. We are currently in the 6th party system. Which means that the parties have had drastic realignment 5 times already. I think we're entering the 7th party system.