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It's important for Leftists to take an internationalist stance, so as to avoid perpetuating Imperialism like PatSocs seek to.
As for sources on numbers in different niches, I don't think there are hard numbers we can look at outside of viewing which tendencies have had the most traction and widest impact historically, which is currently Marxism-Leninism, especially if we include the CPC and assume a good chunk of its 96 million members are Marxist-Leninists.
I don't know what point you're trying to make about the Soviets with respect to "killing millions" or "banning opposition" outside of what I said, you aren't really pointing at specifics so there's nothing for me to respond to, other than to say the Black Book of Communism has long been debunked.
As for the Soviets, power was dramatically equalized, especially compared to Tsarist Russia and the Russian Federation. For Stalin, the CIA didn't think him a dictator. He certainly held a lot of power, but he wasn't unaccountable nor was he the one making all of the decisions. Same with Kruschev. That doesn't mean no Soviet leader has made mistakes, or had self-interested intentions, but at the same time you are taking an ahistorical, dogmatic view of the Soviet Union.
What you describe, with your heavy progressive tax rates, has only ever been in place in countries fearing a revolution while neighboring a Socialist power, historically the USSR. It's one thing to think a system would be nice, it's another thing entirely to shift towards it. Moreover, without addressing Capitalism, your "decentralization" is just an attempt to break up industry and keep Capitalism going a bit longer, like cutting your arm so it never fully heals.
Back to the Communists, I don't genuinely understand who you would support, it seems you let perfect be an enemy of good, which is just nihilism and passive support for the status quo.
Oh, you answered it in your next paragraph. It's no wonder you hold western-centric views, support for the Nordics makes that clear. The Nordics fund their safety nets through brutal loans and export of Capital, a process identified and tracked as Imperialism. They essentially function as landlords in country-form, expropriating far more value from sheer ownership of Capital than they actually produce, it's a form of usury. These Safety Nets are declining (as you yourself are noticing) because the Soviets are no longer right next door, pressuring the Capitalists in your country to offer concessions. That's why the Nordics are eroding.
I think a big part of your worldview is thinking the Nordics separate from US Imperialism, and not willing accomplices to the looting of the Global South. It might hurt, but you should look into the IMF and how Western Europe and the US work together to serve as global landlords, backed by the US's millitary and NATO membership as essentially a protection racket.
I'm once again nitpicking on this because it prodigiously bothers me: the CIA collected and compiled comments from an informant. This is the nature of the document you have linked, not their opinion on the matter, not a statement from them, nothing of the sort.
Please, you have a bunch of books from reputable historians to mention and take quotes from, stop using this "unevaluated" information report as a proof of the CIA thinking this or that.
Edit:
Here's what they had to say about "stalinism" two years after the linked report in an analysis (Titoism and Soviet Communism):
As a matter of fact, the CIA did think him a dictator at the time.
People don't generally read books even if I link them unless they are already interested in what I have to say. I could link Losurdo's Stalin: The History and Critique of a Black Legend if I wanted to share an objective critique of the man that neither glorifies nor demonizes him, or I could link sources on how the USSR was run so the term "dictator" doesn't make sense, but barely anyone would read them.
The CIA's later report seems to more be the "official line" rather than genuine analysis IMO.
Sorry to reply so late, the flu launched a surprise attack on me yesterday.
I know that it's difficult to make people read, and they're not always to blame. At the end of a day struggling for bread, they'd rather have games, the machine works perfectly.
But it's not a valid reason to manipulate and misinform them. I've been reading your comments for some times now, and I'm inclined to believe that you seek to make comrades out of those you interact with (and also the bystanders); such a relationship must be based on factual informations and honesty. Otherwise, you take the risk of seeing those you've convinced cast into question your truthfulness about other topics should they take a look into the nature of that report; worse, it could push them away from socialism...
History books might be less efficient than pointing at the enemy and saying "look, even they admit [thing]", but it's factual and difficult for an honest person to attack.
Be it toeing the party line or genuinely believing it, they weren't able to poach someone from the politburo (in the fifties at least, as they admit; counter-intelligence in the USSR was impressive at the time), they had no first-hand information on which to base their opinion.
I guess the grammar and coherence of this comment is subpar, but, erm, second language + flu = this 😞
Sorry about the flu.
As for your comments, I disagree that the doc I linked is dishonest, manipulative, or misinformation. They didn't need to poach from the politburo to look at the structure of the USSR, Americans like Pat Sloan already went to the USSR and reported on how it functioned (not to the CIA, but in general). Archival evidencen we have today backs up the claims made in the doc as well.
I must have failed to convey what I meant. What bothers me is actually framing the report as what it isn't, not how close to the truth it is. Honestly, if you said something like "the CIA was already collecting comments on what life under Stalin was in the fifties", I wouldn't take issue with it.
I'm genuinely too pooped to entertain you any longer, but beware, I'll be there next time 🤓