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At [email protected] arguing against forced conscription is "propaganda" and "misinformation"
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this post was submitted on 24 Feb 2025
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The comments that got removed are very well known points used by Russian propaganda farms
You may or may not know that. You may or may not be doing that intentionally. But you know the whole "if it quacks like a duck..." bit? You're quacking like a propaganda farm.
Now, I'm not saying that holding those opinions, if they are actually your opinions, isn't your right. It is, fully, your right to believe however you want. Doesn't matter if I like it, if agree with it, or even if I would punch you in the snout for a given opinion (and I wouldn't for these), it is your right to hold those opinions.
But it is a mod's responsibility to filter out bad actors like propaganda farms. The only effective way to do that is to observe what those farms are saying, and remove anything that spreads the messaging. Sometimes, actual people will get caught up in that. It's unavoidable, and regrettable even (since there's no chance to possibly talk the person into a less unrealistic stance, which is possible for the folks that swallow propaganda like this). But it is necessary.
Remember, that applies to anything that's being pushed by propaganda farms. IDGAF of it was Ukrainian farm talking points, EU talking points, or wherever, it would still need to be filtered out because this isn't their fucking platform. Lemmy, even more than Reddit, is a platform of individual people, not government actors. It has to be rigidly protected or it will go the way reddit is going.
Arguing against authoritarian politicians and against forced conscription doesn't sound much like well known points used by russia propaganda and even if they are there they don't magically become wrong points only because russia is using them.
What you are saying is that whatever topic russia propaganda picks up should be censored, what kind of logic is this? I'm not repeating some random shit i'm advocating for human rights and calling out ukrainian government for drafting people by force and arresting these who try to flee the country.
Reddit is rigidly protected, censorship has been a big reddit issue.
Like I said, this may be an opinion that is yours and only yours. That's a different thing than whether or not a mod action was power tripping or not.
I don't go very far into debating the points of posts and comments that are the source of posts here, so be aware that I'm not likely to follow up with this if that's where you're wanting to take it. That's not the purpose of community, and it makes things messy for mods and users.
But, the points you raised aren't wrong because they're also used by Russia. They have flaws on their own merits. Which is not germaine to a PTB issue, but unless you're trying to say that all drafts everywhere are wrong, I call shenanigans.
As far as forcing conscripts, or arresting people leaving the country, that's another thing where this isn't the place for that debate. The evidence of it being done in the way you claim is dubious though, so it still doesn't matter as far as PTB is concerned
In other words, you're pointing at Ukraine and ignoring the rest of the world. You're taking a side. So you are furthering propaganda efforts and misinformation by doing that, which still males it YDI.
Did you put any sources or evidence into the comments that got removed? If so, they don't show in the screen shots, so you'd have to put them up somewhere else for me to engage further on that side of things.
I'm fine with not discussing the argument here because this sub has another goal but don't keep making points about it yourself or i'm gonna have to reply.
The thread was about Ukraine and people were praising its authoritarian leader calling him an hero. I pointed out and argue that he's no hero because he's an authoritarian leader drafting people by force. When i say that martial law is dictatorship and that drafting people by force is a violation of human rights that goes for everyone everywhere, if the thread was about Congo i would have talk about Congo and not ukraine.
Yes, you can thank the .world mods for removing it thus creating even more confusion. That's some good argument against censorship, removing the comments didn't do any justice.