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    Xenia doesn't like Systemd (discuss.tchncs.de)
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    [–] [email protected] -2 points 4 days ago (1 children)

    Who defines what opinion one should or shouldn’t have? There is no law or similar to force/prohibits having opinions. If something should or shouldn’t an opening is only defined by the opinion of the person judging. Therfore an opinion can not be wrong, it can just not align with your view.

    As I said “75+25=110” and “we should change maths so 75+25=100” are stated facts which can be true or false. “I think, we should change math so that 75+25=100” is an opinion you can agree with or disagree.

    “I think, 75+25=100” is not an opinion but a fact the person is saying is not sure if they remember correctly.

    Of course you can say my opinion is X while you real opinion is Y, but that is just not wanting to tell what you really think for some reason (e.g. due to fear, manipulation, not wanting to insult someone indirectly, etc.). Then your statement about your opinion is indeed wrong. But not your opinion itself.

    BTW. In which universe is 75+25=110?

    [–] [email protected] 3 points 4 days ago (1 children)

    in which universe 75+25=110

    My bad, I meant the 75+35=100 thing, which is a common mistake people make when doing brain math. Just imagine I said 35 in the thread.

    Back to the topic. "Who decides..." I clearly said some opinions are neither right nor wrong, if something is subjective, it by definition is neither right nor wrong. "No law to force/prohibit" I also specifically said you are entitled to have wrong opinions, so we can ignore the entire "forcing/prohibiting" conundrum.

    Next paragraph. "... These are facts that can be true or wrong" exactly, and when I say "in my opinion is true" this is also a fact (a true one) in which I say " is true" is my opinion, but if "" is actually false, this is a wrong opinion that I shouldn't have.

    An opinion is a fact you believe is true. But some facts are false and it's wrong to believe they are true. "Your opinion is wrong" does not mean that "it's false that you have that opinion". Not every opinion can be just wrong or right, as I said multiple times.

    [–] [email protected] 1 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

    I see our disconnect now:

    First, I interpreted your “wrong” incorrectly (I interpreted it as not allowed vs thinking a fact is different than it really is)

    Second, it seems definition of the word “opinion” is different in your region. In my region, you can’t have opinions about facts that can be scientifically measured.
    To give an example, you can have the opinion “all people need to treated the same” but you can’t say “my opinion is that water melts at -10 degree Celsius”

    So with that definition, no opinion can be wrong. Since if an opinion can be wrong, it would not be an opinion but a stated fact, or better said what the person thinks is fact.

    And applying this thinking to your initial comment, it should show why I was confused about you telling this stated facts are opinion that are wrong.

    And now comming back to your initial comment:

    In the post Xenia being furry is stated as a fact.
    Xenia hating systemd is stated as a fact.
    And PulseAudio having issues is stated as a fact.

    Which of course can be wrong.