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What do you think of the European Union? (lemmy.ml)

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (1 children)

In Europe, while stepping over other, especially non-white countries.

Seeing how they've only made timid attempts at criticism at the human rights disaster that is the US, they clearly don't give a shit.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 years ago (1 children)

I hope my reply is polite enough esp. given you are an admin, but I would like to give some nuances/counterpoints.

It also hasn’t done anything against the rampant homophobia and erosion or women’s rights in Poland, as an even more close to home example.

This comment of yours is fair enough to make. However, Poland is still a sovereign nation, so there is only a small amount of "ordering around" that the EU can do. Not only because that is how the EU is "designed", but also because Polish nationalists/conservatives would love to shout out to anyone hearing them that they are being overruled by the EU (thus only gaining more power). So to be honest I do not know what could be a solution to this, but I agree something needs to happen.

In Europe, while stepping over other, especially poorer and non-white countries.

Are you sure this would not somehow happen without the EU? Haven't you noticed e.g. the rising Chinese "imperialism" in Africa?

Seeing how they’ve only made timid attempts at criticism against the human rights disaster that is the US (especially Trump’s US)

We were in the middle of a pandemic when Trump was Potus, so we were kind of having our hands full
Trump's government would simply have done a tu quoque and stated something like "as if you are better" (given "we" are not 100% clean ourselves, as well as given the power Trumpers have found in reflecting and projecting flaws).
What measures beyond "strongly worded letters" would actually have made a difference?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago)

This comment of yours is fair enough to make. However, Poland is still a sovereign nation, so there is only a small amount of “ordering around” that the EU can do. Not only because that is how the EU is “designed”, but also because Polish nationalists/conservatives would love to shout out to anyone hearing them that they are being overruled by the EU (thus only gaining more power). So to be honest I do not know what could be a solution to this, but I agree something needs to happen.

Okay? But at the end of the day, that means nothing to the oppressed LGBTQ+ people in Poland.

Haven’t you noticed e.g. the rising Chinese “imperialism” in Africa?

You mean the billions that China has poured into Africa in the form of supplies, infrastructure and now vaccines without requiring any of it to be repaid? China is also famous for outright cancelling debt for African nations especially in times of crisis like the pandemic. If they're trying to be imperialist, they're not good at it.

What measures beyond “strongly worded letters” would actually have made a difference?

Breaking economic ties? The EU was pretty quick to ban Huawei's 5G hardware on a rumour they they were spying on users (rumours spread by the US mind you, a country that has been confirmed to have spied on EU countries in the recent past). Why not do the same with US companies if they wanted to stick it to them? Or... at least tell the US to take out their nuke bases from EU countries?