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Israeli torture: Urinating on Palestinian prisoners, burying them alive and beating the sick (www.middleeasteye.net)

submitted 2 days ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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Israeli jailers would wrap Palestinian prisoners in shrouds and bury them alive.

As they began to suffocate, just before death took hold, a small amount of air was allowed in to keep them alive, only for the process to be repeated moments later.

Abukhater said the torture began the moment they were detained and continued until the very last moment before their release.

“Our hands and feet were shackled, and they struck us with frozen water bottles and bottles filled with olives,” he added.

“There, the soldiers urinated in a container and then poured it over our faces and bodies.”

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago) (1 children)

I’d say there is one thing at least (/s is noted btw):

Being a victim does not make you an advocate. You would think it does, it happens all the movies and TV shows, but it just doesn’t, not by default.

I’ve heard people say it could never be that bad, because they wouldn’t do what was done onto them.

I hope everyone learns it this time: identity does not define your morality. Trauma is not some magical sauce to a good moral compass, that’s just trying to draw a silver lining on a mass grave.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

This is why the means to commit these atrocities should not exist. Evil will always exist no matter the framework or environment, good people can always be made to do bad things. You give the most oppressed and agrieved people the weapons, money, hierarchy and financial incentive to oppress and they will

That's why I feel it's so important to make a society that defaults to "morality" and limits the tools for harm without requiring utopian ideas of universal goodwill and altruism amongst all citizens to keep the system inherently good and altruistic

It takes a crazy amount of resources to set up a society be okay with torture, to shape media just right to allow apathy or ignorance, to wage wars and to gin up the support of these wars that require billions to wage.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 15 hours ago

I wouldn’t say evil exist no matter what, rather, as I’ve heard elsewhere:

If you had only seen bears at circuses, one might assume that the natural state for bears is juggling while balancing on a ball.

Human nature is a thing we exchanged for larger and larger communities, what it was before and how it’s changed is a largely an unknowable, unwritten thing.

But generally I agree with your sentiment and it’s why I advocate for anarchy and moving to a mutualistic society that shares the wealth of the world rather than letting a few horde it all and begrudgingly toss out scraps.