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Luigi Mangione lawyer says arrest flaws invalidate evidence – but will it work? (www.theguardian.com)

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“Even if this motion is successful, it doesn’t mean that Luigi Mangione walks out of prison,” said Ron Kuby, a criminal defense attorney whose practice focuses on civil rights. “All it means is that the items that were seized from him, or seized that belong to him, can’t be used as evidence against him.”

Kuby thinks that Mangione’s team has made enough claims in their papers to merit a hearing on the issues, in which the police officer involved would have to testify, confirming or denying the facts. “It does appear that they stopped and frisked Mangione without a legal basis to do it. If that’s true, everything that follows from there is likely to be found to be unconstitutional,” he said.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

The cops planted the evidence on the first convenient person they found.

Hardly call his arrest a convenience. They had to chase him halfway across Pennsylvania.

I'm open to the possibility he was set up. But only in the Lee Harvey Oswald sense (someone mired in radicalism who was tangentially involved). You're going to have to produce a "second gunman" before I toss the abundance of evidence against him as a fabrication.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

I'm not particularly remarkable in my looks, and I have so many doppelgangers that people are CONSTANTLY walking up to me claiming that my name is literally anything other than what my name is. I don't believe this is at all a unique feature of my particular genetics, I just happen to have a face that is known as a "familiar face," within both the art and acting sphere, as well as the psychological and sociological spheres of influence.

I'm saying that this concept absolutely applies to Luigi Mangione. He just looks too distinct, and quite frankly too chiseled to match the fuzzy photos of the actual killer. This being an extremely high profile case, in which the investigators involved felt pressure to wrap the case up as quickly as possible most likely led to them grabbing the wrong person, and planting evidence that the real killer abandoned on Luigi.

Pennsylvania isn't particularly big, and it's literally next door to NYC. You can either go directly from PA to NY and drive into the city from the north, or go through New Jersey. It takes longer to go north, but I think it is a better drive, TBH.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago

He just looks too distinct, and quite frankly too chiseled to match the fuzzy photos of the actual killer.

Sure, because his mug shot isn't a fuzzy pixelated photo.

the investigators involved felt pressure to wrap the case up as quickly as possible most likely led to them grabbing the wrong person

If they have the wrong person, it should be fairly simple for Luigi to produce an alibi to explain that he wasn't in Lower Manhattan at the time of the murder.

Pennsylvania isn’t particularly big, and it’s literally next door to NYC.

It's enormous. 44k mi^2. And he was halfway across it when he was arrested. Again, if he's innocent, and they just grabbed a random guy out of a random diner in flyover territory, and the guy has a long, established online presence and a penchant for selfies, it shouldn't be hard at all to say "My cell phone tracking data proves I wasn't anywhere near Brian Thompson at the time of his death."