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Now, it certainly isn't.
What if I told you that Communick has reached break-even point, and since February it makes more in revenue than it costs to operate?
Oh, that's right, I told you that already! It's just that you didn't react to it. Could it be because it doesn't fit your worldview?
Then let's just stop here?
If you prefer to avoid the conversation on the basis of "unpleasantness" instead of facing the arguments that are being presented to you, it's your choice.
But at least show some decency and willingness to admit you were wrong and consider that maybe the best way to get a sustainable, healthy and universal Fediverse (i.e, not just a niche thing that barely reaches 1M MAU) is by having small businesses around?
My main reason to want to end conversations with you is that you use bad faith arguments. It also explains why I don't want to build community on your instances.
I regularly suggest to agree to disagree, you just don't want to.
Let's give this another try
How is having a business going to change that? The platform is here, Boost is a clone from it's Reddit version, Voyager and others offer good alternatives.
Network effect can't be fought by money. Meta spend millions on marketing Threads, it's a failure.
Finally, I recently asked how many people were ready to pay for the Fediverse: https://discuss.tchncs.de/post/33116369?scrollToComments=true
Seems to reflect my perception that some people are okay to pay 10-20$ per year, but not much more, and that's not everyone. I'll repost it to the new community now so that we have more data.
Now again, if you believe so, that's your choice, please create a community to advocate for that perspective.
You are looking at this super-tiny space of "the Threadiverse" and taking it as the whole "social media landscape". This is textbook example of selection bias.
How much do you want to bet that we will see a Reddit-like alternative built on ATProto by the end of the year? Which one do you think will have a better chance of success: the application that is starting of a potential userbase 1M MAU or the one with 25M+? How was Bluesky funded? Was it via donations?
No, but money can buy infrastructure and development which is sorely needed. We are not limited because people don't want to leave the walled gardens. They are eager to leave, but we keep failing to offer them an usable alternative.
The reason that Fediverse doesn't grow is not because of any single particular feature of the other alternatives. It's quite easy to say "Bluesky won over Mastodon because it has better content discovery" or "Matrix is not a good alternative to Discord because it is slow and has a moderation problem", but all of these tiny things are not fundamental issues. They can all be fixed, but they just don't get fixed fast enough because these organizations are lacking in resources compared to the VC funded alternatives.
Funding is like oxygen. Organisms that do not have circulatory systems can only grow to the size of insects. If we keep constraining ourselves to only these very limited sources of funding, we will be forever bound to this tiny insignificant niche space.