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The Jewish People Policy Institute Israel Index survey found that 8 out of 10 Jewish Israelis agreed with Trump's proposal of expelling Palestinians from Gaza.

Forty-three percent of all Israelis said that the expulsion plan was "practical" and should be implemented, while 30 percent said the plan was "desirable" but not practical.

A minority of 13 percent - made of up 54 percent of Palestinian respondents and just three percent of Jewish Israelis - described the Trump plan as "immoral".

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 days ago (11 children)

Many of the early leaders of the Zionist movement, such as Theodor Herzl, were secular or atheist, emphasizing Jewish cultural and national identity over religious belief.

In contemporary Israel, about 45% of Jews identify as secular or non-religious, and secular Zionists—who may self-identify as atheist or traditional—constitute roughly 55% of the population.

Maybe they use it as a cover to justify their crimes against humanity, but as another person said, blaming it entirely on religion is a cheap deflection that tries to overshadow the root causes of such madness. When reading your first comment, I was somewhat in agreement, but your last one makes it seem like religion is the main reason for their deeds, as if the other 7 billion religious humans act the same way they do…

[–] [email protected] -1 points 2 days ago (10 children)

Defending religion is silly

It’s make believe.

It’s all bad faith.

Everyone is secular.

They just claim to be a member of a religion so they can justify cruelty to people who claim to be members of a different religion.

All your baloney about the founding of Israel ignores one thing: it’s a religious state for a specific religion.

In a holy war with a different religion.

All religions do this.

All religions indoctrinate their members to dehumanize outsiders.

This is a sub human trait, to not see the humanity in other humans.

Ipso facto : all religious people are willfully subhuman

This is simple logic not curated historical facts to push an agenda.

Hail Satan.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (7 children)

I hear your opinion but it’s not accurate and can lead to dangerous roads.

You must try to understand that the majority of the world has been exposed to incommensurable pain and suffering. From an anthropological perspective, it is rational and logical for the brain to protect itself by creating beliefs. Through social and cultural processes, these beliefs become embedded in societies.

Claiming that this is a subhuman trait is disingenuous because it is in human nature to seek explanations for what we observe in our environment. We are wired that way.

These actions should only be evaluated through the lens of this principle: "The freedom of one ends where the freedom of another begins."

There are religious people who are kinder than atheists, and atheists who are more evil than religious people. Today, religion may be used as a political tool for authoritarian regimes, but tomorrow it could be something else.

Eradicating religion would not solve anything.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 days ago (1 children)

What’s a good compromise? Am I allowed to ridicule other people for their beliefs?

It is a core tenet of my philosophy

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Why not? it does not infringe on anyone.

However, recognize the irony in claiming that all religions dehumanize outsiders, right before labeling religious people as subhuman. (The tolerance paradox does not work in this case)

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago (2 children)

The tolerance paradox absolutely applies here

I was raised to be religious.

I logic’d my way out of it in spite of the indoctrination.

This defines my entire world view: I did not hate the people they told me to hate.

Religion is intolerant by design. They are all claiming to have answers they cannot possible have but also refuse to allow scrutiny. Literal intolerance my friend. Literally intolerant of any outside ideas even.

It’s religion pal, it’s the stupid notion that we have to not only tolerate intolerant religions but have to respect their intolerant beliefs?!?!

NO NOT ME FUCK THAT

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 days ago

Your parents may be religious but religion isn't your parents.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I see your point but simply put:

I believe there are both tolerant and intolerant religious people, just as there are tolerant and intolerant atheists.

Thus, if we want to tackle or end intolerance, focusing solely on religion is ineffective and won’t solve the problem, as religion is not the root cause of intolerance.

Rather, it’s the excuse used by the egos of hateful individuals to justify their irrational hatred. If religions were removed, people would simply find new ideologies or beliefs to hide behind.

What should be done is improving education, encouraging self introspection as well as being oneself, demonstrating that being empathetic is not a weakness and that we are all stuck on the same small rock in the middle of a seemingly endless void which is kind of weird.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 days ago (1 children)

What should be done is improving education, encouraging self introspection

This is something religions resist

I’m sure there’s some exception that just proves the rule but I’ve done enough reflection that I’ve reached the conclusion that religions are a dehumanizing influence on people and the rejection of science is the ultimate intolerance.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

I understand.

Let’s agree to disagree a bit.

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