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The first, and also the most futuristic techno-utopian one, is the colonisation of Mars. Elon Musk founded Space X in 2002 (Peter Thiel was the first outside investor) with the idea of re-founding humanity. It’s all there: the call to save humanity by turning it into a multi-planetary species, the desire to start from scratch without the legal constraints of Earth, and the will to break with the established order. As you can read, half-hidden, on the terms and conditions page of the Starlink service owned by Space X:

The parties recognize Mars as a free planet and that no Earth-based government has authority or sovereignty over Martian activities.

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[–] humanspiral -4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

So his ultimate recommendations are "fight hypernormalism by dissassociating with the algorithm, and strengthen leftist democracy"

Democracy, as implemented, does absolutely suck. Crypto currencies are great vehicles for "liquid democracy" (you have priviledge to vote on every issue, or to delegate and take back delegation, to anyone else, and no elections are ever needed). UBI based on crypto currency analysis for deserving UBI (spending on local businesses or rent or property purchases), and other proofs of residence/existence, can work in liquid democracy if government is assured to not hate you. High income taxes and density weighted property taxes, can fund a centrist UBI. Sales taxes added with UBI, to make UBI higher, is ok too. High income taxes, make job creation programs that produce useful benefits to the community worth it in not over privatizing success as a privilege for the successful.

A major issue in getting Trump to allow bids on national land for techno-fascist cities is that whole states or counties could bid for their own federal tax free/arrangement secession. Communal style vs unlikely fascist overlord style bids. Puzzle question: would Trump allow blue counties to leave or red counties?

Liquid democracy and UBI/freedom dividends is only acceptable future of society. If Trump allows for independent of US cities bids on public lands, as a tax shelter from US scheme, there is still opportunity for real utopia to bid on such lands. And having high internal tax rates to fund UBI would certainly attract more people than techno fascist winning bid cities.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

No quarter for delusional tech bros that live in the dreamland of "corpos will totally do the right thing with no laws or regulations to stop them cuz free market iz magic"

Go kiss moldbug's feet for me, bootlicker

I'm sure the fascist corpo states would NEEEvvvEERRRrr go to war. Everything's too perfect in that world, right?

[–] humanspiral -3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

You are taking position that democracy is perfect for how much Republicans and Zionism controls our lives the exact right amount, or we would have had the perfect amount under Harris, Biden, HRC, and Obama. Including Obama as neocon zionazi in that list, for giving top 2 jobs to the most neocon Republicans with a D on them. Our system is complete tyrannical shit, that requires raising $Bs. It is not freedom to be forced into participating in a corrupt system, and when the system is so divisive, the right answer of session lets "both" sides be free from the other.

Our system gives the winning side fascist power, even when little to nothing other than war happens under Democrats. That "tech bros" want a scheme for even less taxes, doesn't mean you can't use the same scheme to escape tyranny and form the society you want.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

😂😂😂 way to put words in my mouth. We wouldn't be in this position if there were massive glaring issues in our system. Anyone who has an interest in current events can see that

Fracturing the United States and pulling away quickly from the world stage in a way that damages our & our allies economy & relations is... a wet dream for China & Russia. China can take the pain as it swoops in and takes jobs & relations we leave behind. Not only that - if you're American - it's straight up traitor talk. We already went through one civil war about the south trying to secede so they could continue slavery.

The Tech bros specifically want a tech monarchy where each "country" is run by a CEO with absolute power that otherwise only responds to the board of directors (that, assumedly.. the CEO picks). Poor or don't like it? Get out and go to a different network state. If the fascist state even lets you leave.

For the record, AIPAC can rot.

As can anyone promoting this mold bug ideology nonsense. It is traitor talk.

[–] humanspiral -1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Not only that - if you’re American - it’s straight up traitor talk. We already went through one civil war about the south trying to secede so they could continue slavery.

I understand that it destroys the empire, and warmongering interests are harmed. But, the tech bros are talking as if the government will give them the right to secede, and buy a tax haven inside the US. Trump has signaled that selling public lands is a win for America. Once you open that door, then selling existing counties to people who want to be free from warmongering empire is/"should be" allowed too. In addition to freedom projects bidding on the same plots of land.

Again, instead of seeing the freedom for free association, you just see the loss of fighting political war where 51% decides to oppress the divisive half into war, and 99% of elected politicians support Palestinian genocide, war on Iran, and a substantial portion of them, war on Russia and China. You need to be ruled by those who can buy support for these wars. DNC didn't even fight voter suppression and vote rigging because Israel won with Trump. More voter suppression laws are being passed this week. Democracy in US is hopelessly broken, and the alternative to "the algorithm" in reverting it is to look at mainstream zionist media for revolution.

a wet dream for China & Russia

Like Netanyahu says, if we don't genocide them all then Iran wins.

Unity is awesome, but unity for what matters. We need $10k more expensive cars for all Americans so that Pensylvania steel, and Michigan auto workers get cushy jobs, and Texas oil workers help destroy planet, and they all vote GOP harder?, is a deep strain on unity. $20k cheaper cars from China is a win for secessionists. The mentality of needing China to lose, is self harm programming.

The Tech bros specifically want a tech monarchy where each “country” is run by a CEO with absolute power that otherwise only responds to the board of directors (that, assumedly… the CEO picks). Poor or don’t like it? Get out and go to a different network state. If the fascist state even lets you leave.

My point is entirely that those projects will not be as successful as secessionism with liquid democracy and UBI. The opportunity to grant tech bros their fascist project is opportunity for us to be granted freedom projects. US democracy offers no hope whatsoever.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago

You are delusional

"China and Russia are a threat that will only go away if they're dead. What else can we do besides shatter the nation that defends us and pretend that the tech bros would never try to conquer the new 'free' states we create"

You are in la-la-land. You are, at best, trying to buy a temporary peace that literally hands our enemies everything they want - the shattering of the US, and handing the traitors that helped that happen, land and time to prepare to do it to the rest of us.

Either incredibly stupid and short sighted or just a traitor pushing moldbud ideology.