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I wouldn't have hated a two hour finale and certainly the show deserved more than a 15 minute post credits scene, but Discovery was overall a weak Star Trek show.
Enterprise only got four seasons (although it had more episodes) and that was a much better show.
Now if any of the characters want to come back, I'm all for it. Sonequa Martin-Green was great. I hope they can write a script and she comes back and gets the finale she wants, but Discovery is over and I'm ok with that.
The entire premise of the show makes more sense if you assume the entire crew was tripping spaceballs off space spores. While Sonequa was great, and the rest of the acting talent was there... there wasn't a lot they could do to salvage the premise. i take a great deal of issue with everything else.
the first time I tried watching ST:Discuotheque, I had to pause it every five minutes to google what the fuck I was missing. Which was a lot.
IMO the core issue started with script writers and produces wanting to tell a story and trying to mold that story into a trek universe. And that hardly ever makes sense. Is telling a store with in the middle of Trek hard? absolutely. but if you're gonna do it, you have to start with the established universe and ask if the story you're telling makes sense in that context, and discovery simply didn't.
That's sadly been a very common thing in recent years. Writers noticed that fewer and fewer original shows were being made, and latched onto existing IPs or adaptations. And then try to force their idea onto that, which drastically change how people act in comparison and often entire premises of how story-universes work. And Discovery had staff officers acting more over-the-top with emotional outbursts than in Lower Decks. So I might finish it with the "they're high on spores all the time" headcanon.
I wouldn’t necessarily blame the writers for the shift. The bigwigs making the decision believe that using existing IP means that half the marketing job is already done.
Look at Babylon 5 vs DS 9- the networks aired them opposite each other and DS9 dominated. Even though ds9 was more or less inspired by an early show bible for bab5, that was left with UPN.
The problem is… people know what Star Trek is, and when it’s “not trek”… well, people walk away pissed.
Edit to add: with the prevalence of streaming on demand, there’s a lower amount of completion. If DS9 and Bab5 came out today, most of us would happily watch both.
I don't blame them for the shift at all, that's all on the higher ups who only see dollars. I do however blame them for doing things like not engaging with the source material and actively changing character personalities to fit their own idea of the story. Specially when it is so drastic that it goes against the overall story and it has to be retconned or explained in unbelivable ways.
(Yes I'm still bitter about The Witcher show)
Doesn't need to be a "today" question, most of us do, and did even back in the day. Division is a construct
I dunno about you, but I didn't have the ability to watch one show and record a second channel back in the day. DVRs didn't exist until '99, and most of us only had one cable feed, limiting our ability to record one show on VHS, and/or record both.
with access to DVRs, multiple setboxs/receivers/etc, and (now) streaming, that's changed. but being aired opposite of DS9 was one of the reasons babylon 5 had a lower viewership starting out.
Well, here's a tip:
I was in a country that ran them on different days
Oh, and free to air.
Bully for you.
that's not the experience of many, if not most, would-be viewers at the time. certainly not in the US.
You can blame the US viewers if you want. It's totally our fault for not having the then-expensive and relatively-uncommon cable plans, or service agreements; and it's totally our fault that PTEN chose to use bab5 as counter programming to UPN's DS9.
But the reality is that part of the reason Bab5's viewership suffered was because PTEN elected to use Bab5 as counter-programing to UPN's DS9. Which was as lamentable as what Fox did to Firefly's airing order.
And the point of all this being, there's absolutely no real need to compete like that today. Not with a gazillion options for streaming on demand, or the ability to record multiple channels simultaneously basically baked into modern DVRs, etc. Ergo, producers shouldn't be nearly as scared of picking up fresh IP as they are.
Ok dude, you're getting weird about other people's experiences in the 90's. I'm out
Ok imma gonna need to hold allllllll of ISB's beers
So... Cheers, but at Quarks?
Absolutely agree that Enterprise is the far better show. Discovery was a lot of spectacle and little substance.
There were still actors and characters I liked - Culber and Stamets, Keyla Detmer, Saru.
But I had a completely different experience of Sonequa Martin-Green. She overacted and shredded most scenes into teen melodrama, while supposedly portraying a highly trained elite officer. I thought her work in Discovery was amateurish at best, so much crying and emotional outburst that it lost any weight. If a cadet's constant state is lack of emotional regulation you they'd never make it through the academy.
All the forced melodrama is so freaking weird. As an adult, I miss watching a show about, you know, adults (even young ones). People who act maturely.
Mary Wiseman (Tilly), Tig Notaro (Reno), and Oded Fehr (Admiral Vance) are already slated to return in Academy. Likely we could see others appear as a second season has already been greenlit.
Tilly is one of my favorites on the ship and Admiral Vance was fantastic, probably because he's the first competent Admiral (that we didn't previously see in the series). Reno is fine, but I like Tig Notaro, so I just head cannon it's Tig always and it works.
They're also adding Robert Picardo, hopefully as THE Doctor, which is another favorite of mine.
The far future isn't my favorite timeline, I'd love to go back and pickup after 90s Trek. We got that a little with Picard, but that show also had some issues. But I want to explore, proper explore, that time more.
That said I'm hoping Academy works out.
(And if not I still have Strange New Worlds to enjoy.)
I like to believe Tig is an el-aurian or possibly even a highlander immortal and from community to army of the dead to disc she's just bopping through time trying everything
El-Aurian would be amazing!
Strange New Worlds has Pelia (technically a Lathanite but similar idea), so Academy can have Tig. Plus Tig Notaro is definitely a Star Trek name.
I fully believe Pelia is just Carole Kane not even acting just very slyly coming out of hiding
It's definitely The Doc. From showrunner Noga Landau:
As for the early 25th Century, there's another show in development with Tawny Newsome concerning a resort planet. More of a workplace comedy and less exploration, though.
It's already being dubbed parks and trek and i cannot waiiiiiiit
As I quick aside, I read oded as odo as it was the last word before dropping to a new line & went through the very odd emotions of super excited to confused to sad when I remembered :(