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edit - honestly not a troll. is it the specific formatting of "em" dashes? i know for sure we use them all the time. or at least i do. but they're just dashes to me, so..

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

more like it requires the use of an alt code, and humans aint got time for that shit in casual 'speechtype.' there's literally nothing you can say with an emdash that a well-placed semicolon (and/or a few other tools) couldn't solve with a slightly reconstructed sentence structure. if you're using them, especially repeatedly within a couple paragraphs, you're either: unusually resistant to the tedium and friction of breaking your stride to type alt 0151; writing formally; a bot. i'll give you three guesses which is most likely.

personally I've stopped using proper grammar and spelling and formal language and capitalization and whatnot as a sortof 'proof of humanity.' people who use em-dash in anything but formal writing are just self-flagging themselves as bots at this point. even in formal writing you better have yourself a robust edit log.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I do hope you believe I'm a human ;-; you can probably go check all my comments and notice the many edits on them, because I often remember a point I want to make or think of a way I can express myself better after the fact, and I never thought being the type who comments my thoughts immediately instead carefully revising and waiting an hour or so (although to be fair, who does that?) would be the one proof of my humanity. Well, hopefully. It's entirely possible you still believe I must be a bot, because they have probably gotten good at mimicking humans, including professions to be human and not bots, given how many sci-fi stories are written with robots and humans interacting and proof being needed or whatever. (Wouldn't know, don't use them myself.)

I typed from a phone. Creating an em dash is holding down on the hyphen button (which is already a bit of extra effort to get to) and sliding over two keys, pretty easy and fast. I just tested typing an em dash on my computer. I do not actually have an alt key due to being a Mac user (maybe newer ones or older ones have it?). For me, it's Option+Shift+the hyphen key. It is slower to type an em dash for me than just a plain hyphen on both phone and computer, but not slow enough or irritating enough for me to make me choose not to. I feel my stubborn insistence on using em dashes, despite the disadvantage it gives me on getting perceived as a human being, could in itself be proof of my humanity, because what else do I gain besides a speck of affirmation of my identity as the type of person who still wants to use em dashes? Although of course only in this conversation, because most people who think me botlike would probably dismiss me as a bot and move on instead of replying to me and saying why they think I'm a bot: no chance to defend myself, and why would you let what you think to be a bot spew more slop at you about its supposed humanity? I'm also already comfortable using em dashes, maybe a fraction of a second wasted, whereas rewording my sentences, my train-of-thought run-on sentences typed straight from my stream of consciousness, to avoid em dashes is more effort for me, personally. Although you could make the argument that given my willingness to learn to do things the right way, I ought to type without run-on sentences and give people more of a signal I'm not a bot, and drop the em dashes so I am one less false negative when using the "em dash automatically equals bot" strategy.

Not saying you think I specifically am a bot, of course ;) Your approach probably works too. I learned to type in your manner because people did it on tumblr and I used to use that site. Bots do lean towards more formal grammar correctness, but I wouldn't write off the possibility of telling it to type informally, without capital letters, and with the occasional omission of punctuation when not needed for expression or clarity. Or straight up telling them to write like they are on tumblr. However, I would write off a human lazy enough to use a bot to impersonate people as not bothering to try to vary the typing styles.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 23 hours ago

honestly this and the other comment have me second guessing. i was being awful windows centric.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Push dash twice on a phone, no alt code needed. Almost no one uses social media on a computer anymore.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

im here on my phone this time and -- i'll be fucked i didnt know that. are you sure its not lemmy autoformatting?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I guess it’s device dependent. —

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

no it seems to have formatted actually. you caught me before i could ninja edit

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 2 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

oh. thats wacky. it shows up for me on the live post but not the edit?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

Just checked your home instance. feddit.org seems to be a Lemmy instance. I'm on Mbin, which is a totally different software. That could be the difference.

EDIT: Just checked how the comment appears your instance. It indeed shows up as one line instead of two on your Lemmy instance, though running that line through https://babelstone.co.uk/Unicode/whatisit.html confirms my suspicion that it shows it shows as an en dash, not an em dash.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 19 hours ago

On second thought, let's not go to the internet. 'tis a silly place.