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Goodbye to start-stop systems – the EPA under Trump concludes that they are not worth it and could disappear from new models (unionrayo.com)

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[–] [email protected] 34 points 2 weeks ago (20 children)

The EPA hits the brakes Now, after years of research, EPA administrator Lee Zeldin stated that the system barely reduces emissions and causes premature wear on the starter motor (which makes sense, it starts more often, even several times within an hour).

Although many tons of CO₂ savings have been estimated annually, the reality is that this system had many shortcomings, starting with the fact that it’s uncomfortable and annoying. And honestly… the fuel savings weren’t that great, estimated between 4% and 5%.

Wait what the fuck? So because it's annoying, then stop doing it?

If anything, fix the annoyance.

This article is bullshit and full of thoughts and feelings.

[–] blitzen 20 points 2 weeks ago (8 children)

You’d think the “gas is too expensive” crowd would welcome a 5% decrease.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 weeks ago (6 children)

Making these systems available to everyone is great.

Taking away people’s ability to turn them off makes them hated.

[–] blitzen 8 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

The picture used in this article is literally the button to turn the feature off.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (4 children)

Yeah not all cars have those, and even if there’s a button, it turns itself back on every time you turn the car on.

Allowing the driver to permanently turn it off is literally illegal.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 weeks ago

Allowing the driver to permanently turn it off is literally illegal.

Doubt. My car has a configurable personalized drive mode. One of the options in that mode is whether idle stop defaults on or off.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 weeks ago

Most cars with the disable button can have the function inverted so you press it to turn it on and it defaults off.

I'm not sure it is illegal to disable it entirely, certainly depends on state law, but Start-Stop systems are not required and can be disabled under federal law because they are supplemental emissions reduction systems.