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[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

i agree with this but this isn’t the reality of the arch ecosystem. AUR is explicitly promoted on the wiki for a large amount of tasks the average user is going to do. it feels skeevy to acknowledge the problems with the AUR and then abscond arch’s responsibility for them, because the AUR is not like PPAs or anything. it is significantly more integrated into the ecosystem.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

The wiki article :

  • specifically says that packages are not thoroughly vetted
  • does not recommend using yay or another AUR helper (which is the primary thing I recommend against)
  • has a frequently asked question section that is fairly technical and should indicate that it is not for the faint of heart

The aur helper wiki has a fun red disclaimer at the top that no one reads

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 days ago (2 children)

you (rhetorical you, not you) can recommend not using the AUR officially all you want. it doesn’t mean anything if a large number of tasks the average user is going to do require AUR packages. i’m kind of drunk rn but i’ll go find specific pages of the wiki that demonstrate what i’m talking about, i stg this isn’t nothing. the core system itself can entirely be managed with pacman, yes, but the average user is going to be doing a lot more than just that. there is a certain discord in the messaging of arch as a whole.

this is exactly my point. arch can either be a nuts and bolts distro or it can be made for normies. it can’t be both.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 days ago

it doesn’t mean anything if a large number of tasks the average user is going to do require AUR packages

You keep saying this but can you give any concrete examples? I don't recall coming across anything like this.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 days ago

To reiterate, I don't think there is anything wrong with using the AUR. I think that using an AUR helper that ties updating AUR packages to your pacman -Syu is a trap that people keep falling into despite the warnings in the wiki.