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[–] [email protected] 55 points 2 years ago (27 children)

Goddammit, I do NOT want us to be propping up a war in Ukraine and fighting an actual war with China.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 years ago (24 children)

I wonder if we'd drop Ukraine if WWIII was starting. On the one hand, it's WWIII, on the other hand maybe Russia is still a likely enemy?

[–] [email protected] 23 points 2 years ago (1 children)

in what world would anyone side with the US over china and russia

[–] [email protected] 35 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I'd expect US vassals like Canada, Japan and the EU to side with the US.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 years ago (2 children)

You could argue about vassel-ness, but yes, the whole Western block would, and many poor nations that lean that way as well, like Vietnam or Palau.

[–] [email protected] 39 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Vietnam has some beefs with China, but I think it's a bit more up in the air than that which way they'd turn since it'd be a real existential threat to them to militarily oppose China like that (plus they do have some productive deals with China).

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

True, and I have no special insight into Vietnamese politics. In this scenario the US is also right there, though, and is stronger than China assuming no MAD.

Vietnam and Palau should be read as examples only.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 2 years ago

stronger than China

citations-needed US not looking so hot after pissing money down the drain in forever wars for 2 decades.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

[laughs in hypersonic missile]

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

That would be MAD. Unless they're loaded with conventional warheads, in which case they'll run out pretty early on because those missiles are expensive and the US has bottomless supplies to reply with.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

"the USA, where neoliberal capitalism has hollowed out the defense contractors so much they can't produce anywhere near enough artillery shells, has bottomless supplies and can afford more aircraft carriers than China can afford hypersonic missiles, which the USA has not even been able to successfully test."

pathetic cope

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

No, they just need to afford more missiles with a similar range. Aircraft carriers might prove to be the new battleships, but that's not the whole US military.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago

the force projection understander has logged on

[–] [email protected] 20 points 2 years ago

You can argue about anything, but these countries are absolutely US vassals.

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