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To anyone who didn’t vote last year because they didn’t like the democrats position to a 100%:
I hope you are happy with what you have enabled. You must feel quite clever right now❤️
I hate the establishment Dems, neo-liberals suck. But I still voted for them because the actual Fascists and Nazis were unconscionable.
It's like a choice between getting a cavity and getting curb stomped.
Exactly.
It's more like a choice between voting for Nazi Germany or voting for Vichy France
Having two federal parties with the Dems and Republicans being the only feasible options sounds antidemocratic. A true democracy would be a bit more.. representative.
I would adore having a half dozen political parties along the spectrum to vote for. I wouldn't vote for anything less than mild progressivism but still.
Our voting system is fucked is the problem.
200 NGOs Oppose Biden’s Historic Expansion of ICE Detention System: "Detention should not be about politics."
ICE records show Biden admin plans could give Trump a head start on deportations
President Biden Signs Anti-Immigrant Spending Bill Reaching Trump-Era Highs
Biden’s Emergency Funding Proposal Seeks $14 Billion for Immigration System From Congress
Tom Homan - Border Czar was originally appointed by Obama
Keep in mind, these democrat moves to bolster ICE were happening while the right was blatantly telegraphing their moves to immediately weaponize ICE once they took power. Project 2025 came out and promised to use ICE to plunder and abuse Americans. Biden and team then spent the next 4 years not only failing to prepare for Trump, but preemptively strengthening the mechanisms Trump would eventually use to carry out project 2025. The democrats are controlled opposition.
Sure, maybe we wouldnt be seeing this intense of immigration enforcement if Kamala were in charge, but if she were, she'd be working behind the scenes to ensure the right had all the tools they needed when the time was right.
The democrats are controlled opposition and the American electoral system is kabuki theater. The fascist descent is the only logical conclusion to the American political experiment- which was predicated on the wholesale genocide of Native American Indians and quickly pivoted to enslaving an entire continent.
You realize what the only logical conclusion to your "pragmatic liberal utilitarianism" is, right? I give it 4 years before youre chiding leftists for not voting for dem candidate Ted Cruz as he campaigns against republican candidate Mecha Hitler. Youll still see nothing wrong with that. You will sell out the victims of American Imperialism to buy yourself 4 more years of political waffling - just as you did with Palestinians.
Damned if you do and damned if you don’t. If they had stopped money to ICE it would have been all over the airwaves. “Dems soft on immigration”.
And if you've reached a point in your political experiment where the only viable "opposition" party is obligated to massively fund fascist brownshirts in order to stay relevant, your experiment has lost legitimacy and must be dismantled.
1 billionaire owns like 70% of the radio across the country, doesn't matter what you say the right's propaganda machine will always be on target.
Wouldn't be hard to fight back if a broken immigration system wasn't a bipartisan effort to encourage illegal immigration and let farmers take advantage of workers.
BuT TeH GeNoCiDe D:
Great job, now we have genocide AND this bullshit. Thank you so much for saving Palestine! You fucking did it, I guess.
Trump: Yes to Genocide
Harris: I see you, I hear you, but also Yes to Genocide
I voted for Harris because obviously but also I 100% put the blame where it belongs: the DNC.
Oh, they sure AF do. Just talked to one of these dipsticks in person recently. They feel very clever and smug and look forward to accelerating shit into some kind of Marxist utopia.
And of course, the 'net is lousy with these types.
It's all so dumb.
The DNC did the enabling. They had plenty of opportunity to run a viable candidate or run a stronger campaign with the candidate they settled for and did neither.
Yeah, because why blame the corrupt leadership for offering people shit to eat, blame the people for not being happy eating their shit, because look how much worse shit can be shoved down your throat if you don't like it!
You should post this on x.com or something. Imagine thinking anyone on this site didn't vote.
"voting is wrong" was an incredibly popular position on lemmy
people conflated "voting won't save us" with "voting won't do anything". If voting was useless they wouldn't try so hard to stop people from doing it. But also, voting one day a year and shrugging your shoulders 364 days and year cause "I voted" wasn't enough.
yup. this is my position, too. get active, stay active.
I don't think I've actually seen that in the wild. Usually what I see is either "voting is insufficient" as in, "historically voting has not ended a dictator's career" or just badly disguised bad faith/bot stuff often from accounts banned before I read their comments.
I feel like "voting is wrong" is what a group of the latter (bot farmers/trolls) want folks to believe is a real opinion here but I haven't seen anyone make that argument in good faith. I've only ever seen it made secondhand in a way that makes it about as credible as a sasquatch sighting (which there 100% are people dressing up as the sasquatch to fuck with people, so real sasquatch sightings =/= real sasquatches existing)
You would be quite surprised by the amount of Americans on here who didn't vote. I have come across quite a lot
There's entire groups on Lemmy where you get banned if you support either US party
Were you not here before the election...?
Yeah there were a lot of bot/troll accounts saying that stuff. The fact it disappeared after the election proves the point: nobody actually believes that. If somebody dresses up as a sasquatch and runs through the woods it doesn't mean sasquatches are real even though it may be followed by credible accounts and videos of a sasquatch running through the woods.
Elections are when there's a heavy financial incentive for some folks to make bad faith arguments to everyone they can.
So it’s trolls as long as it “proves” your point? Buddy, I like the drugs you do 👍🏼
It proves the point because sock puppets are real thing thats been documented. Can you say for certain none of the 'left wing activist' people that has replied to a comment around an election is not a sockpuppet account or bot?
I think if you cannot find these people in the real world AND they only show up around election time AND no notable, verified people online are espousing the same stuff then its a reasonable assumption its fabricated.
The right wing in particular uses a lot of sockpuppets and has a history of invented strawmen. There are instances of republican senators playing black republicans online.
Its either an effective tactic because they're constantly in power or its something they believe works.
Quit trying to divide the left. At this point, I'm going to have to assume you're a Republican if you're still doing this shit a year after the election.
People who opposed the monster won't feel offended by that. Normies won't be here to see it.
And some of these hardline ultrapurists has to be shamed into doing the right thing
Liberals are the Center and the Democratic party is Center/Near Right.
Still blaming Bernie for you picking unelectable candidates.
yup...can run the numbers, he won the popular vote. the "palestine or nothing" people are a drop in the bucket
the overwhelming majority of the country doesn't have the privilege of caring about people outside their immediate bubble...they're too busy living paycheck to paycheck
don't run on "nothing will fundamentally change" if you want americans to vote for you, simple as. maybe also don't run fucking republicans endorsements during the DNC...
i'm honestly not sure what's worse, if establishment dems are largely just controlled opposition or if they're really just this incompetent
100%. “Everything’s fine, stop complaining” wasn’t a good platform in 2016. Or 2020. Or 2024.
Donald walked through a door that liberal democrats opened.
TWICE.
Trump lost the popular vote in 2016 and 2020 and still was below 50% in 2024 AND his policies never got support from a majority ever when presented without a name.
There has never been a majority who has liked anything he had to offer.
This was a propaganda war from racist wealthy assholes who bought out a ton of the companies controlling the media landscape. They exploited bullshit election rules and lied and bribed and extorted to suppress resistance, all just so they could be assholes in public without being called in it.
So he’s incredibly unpopular.
And he’s beat democrats two out of the last thee tries.
Do. The. Math.
If you asked people about their policies and literally absolutely anything they wanted to do, and hid the names, Trump always lost because he is MORE unpopular
Media helped Trump steal credit for things others did, instill fear of things his opponents never would do, etc. Nobody lost to Trump by being a worse candidate, but because media refused to be honest and people believed the lies
What’s the excuse for Dems losing the second time to Donald?
Did you not pay attention to how Kamala was called a liar by media for saying Trump would send the military against cities?
... And then he did?
Did you not pay attention to how he claimed credit for Covid funds that Democrats established? Blaming Democrats for Trump judges' decisions? Setting up Afghanistan so the exit would happen at the start of Biden's turn to hurt his approval when it predictably turns to chaos? How Biden's age was somehow a problem but Trump's never was?
Media was hysterical about how democrats would make everything worse somehow but never explaining it, then repeating Trump's claims that he's deliver the best economy ever and all kinds of bullshit like it.
And with all that Trump still didn't even get 50%!
And Kamala did worse. What’s your point? That Kamala scored worse than a fascist dictator?
RUN. BETTER. CANDIDATES.
Every time the policies and suggestions and everything else was presented without names, Kamala's campaign won. When people didn't know who's proposal they was listening to, Kamala won.
So please explain what you mean about better candidate, because you have said nothing about how she was worse.
From here in Sweden, it looks like the things needing replacement is the fucking electorate and the billionaires owning the media companies
No, it turns out running mediocre candidates campaigning on a platform of "At least I'm not Trump" was a losing move
What part of the campaign was worse
Please specify
they wanted to use the threat of fascism to earn free votes, even though they tried that in virginia in 2021 and it failed miserably.
a lot of it comes down to that they're more convinced by their consultants what works than by the evidence of what works. and their consultants all come from a class of people who make more money the closer an election is to 50/50
Hey shitbird. ♥️
Encouraging those people to rise up and act:
✅ Helpful!
Shaming and mocking people for choosing their conscience instead of understanding game theory, well over a year ago:
❌ Being a shitbird
I will keep shaming people if they think they are oh so clever while doing some of the dumbest shit one could imagine.
Idiots need to be put in their place. Like you. Be quiet 🤫
Yes, shitbird, they do think that don't they.
Never.