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[–] Fizz@lemmy.nz 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Nz is completely different to the Netherlands. We are a young country, have low density and are far away from the world which makes building cost a ton. A lot of the things youve suggested would just never be able to happen quick enough to avoid this.

We are doing majority of the things you listed already but its taking time. Even if we'd already completed it we would still be hit very hard due to how spread out the population is. We've switched to electric buses and ferry's. We've switched our zoning to high density. We've done electric vehicle rebates and built out a charging network in cities. Our cities are fine to walk. This is pretty new tech you can't just say bro why havent you gone 100% electric yet.

NZ has a lot of places where its not economical to get the required infrastructure built out. And all these infrastructure projects place a huge burden on our low tax base.

The only realistic solution to reduce the impact would be to increase the minimum fuel storage requirements but who would have the foresight to do that? Why would we expect our supply chain to get fucked like this.

We can cut of fuel to people in cities they can take public transport or work from home and rural people and critical infrastructure can use rhe 50 days of fuel reserves and well see what the situation is like in 30 days. It looks like we'll be able to secure another ship of fuel from one of the Asian refineries so I doubt we'll go without.

[–] pienz@feddit.org 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

I kinda dislike the low density bit, yes I agree we are different to the Netherlands and that impacts how we would build this infrastructure, but it shouldn't be a full excuse.

The thing I see is we are more than capable of putting out large scale infrastructure like the rollout of fibre broadband and the completed highways works connecting Auckland to Hamilton and beyond

Your right, Its probably an economics of scale problem, building roads already has momentum and the equipment, while with rail we would need to commit to bigger + more projects that would take longer than a election term and risk the population thinking it's a waste of their tax

[–] MrFinnbean@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

Low density is always hard nut to crack because when distances are long and population is small, public transportation is not feasible.

One potentially great way to help mitigate the problem and help in both self sufficiency and carbon releases is biogas plants. In Finland there is close to 50 biogas plants build privately on farms. Its relativelly cheap to convert traditional gas engines to work with biogas. This is true for both farmin vehicles and cars. And it can be used for generating electricity. The plants also produces fertilizer as a by-product, so it helps with two recources that are traditionally imported from somewhere else.