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[–] [email protected] 34 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Tankies ≠ leftists ≠ liberals

Plenty of leftists want human rights and even know we'll need a revolution to get them, but the USSR and CCP were not ever communist, they were authoritarian oligarchies disguised as communism. The same way the US is not a democracy or a republic, it's an authoritarian oligarchy disguised as one.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

Reminder that "leftist" is a counter-constructive non-term.

[+] [email protected] -22 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The USSR wasn't perfect (and Stalin ruined most things that were good obviously) but they weren't any worse than the USA or the west.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Your reading comprehension really is something to behold. You basically just disagreed with me by saying exactly the same thing I just fucking said.

[+] [email protected] -9 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

Yeah okay, fair enough, I kinda only read the start and end of your post. I guess I agree with you then. I still think the USSR gets too much hate in general though. I vociferously defend the USSR around liberals and attack it around M-Ls lol.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

I kinda only read the start and end of your post

You should try learning to read, it will change your life.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

My opinion on the USSR is that Lenin was cool, Trotsky was cool, and everyone else deserved to be hanged in Minecraft

[–] [email protected] -1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Lenin and Trotsky were mass murderers.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

What do you think a revolution is?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago

Not the massacre of the Kronstadt Rebellion:

Disappointed in the direction of the Bolshevik government, the rebels—whom Leon Trotsky himself had praised earlier as "adornment and pride of the revolution"—demanded a series of reforms: reduction in Bolshevik power, newly elected soviets (councils) to include socialist and anarchist groups, economic freedom for peasants and workers, dissolution of the bureaucratic governmental organs created during the civil war, and the restoration of civil rights for the working class.

Convinced of the popularity of the reforms they were fighting for (which they partially tried to implement during the revolt), the Kronstadt seamen waited in vain for the support of the population in the rest of the country and rejected aid from emigrants. Although the council of officers advocated a more offensive strategy, the rebels maintained a passive attitude as they waited for the government to take the first step in negotiations. By contrast, the authorities took an uncompromising stance, presenting an ultimatum demanding unconditional surrender on March 5. Once this period expired, the Bolsheviks raided the island several times and suppressed the revolt on March 18 after shooting and imprisoning several thousand rebels.

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Trotsky and his commander-in-chief, Sergey Kamenev, had approved chemical warfare by gas shells and balloons against Kronstadt if the resistance continued.

Not the Red Terror