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[–] [email protected] -1 points 2 years ago (9 children)

So what does a ceasefire mean? If Hamas is not releasing the hostages and continues to fire rockets and bullets at Israel how is that a ceasefire?

[–] timidgoat -1 points 2 years ago (4 children)

A ceasefire comes about as an agreement between the parties. That's why it is hard to get to (Hamas won't stop defending Gaza, and the IOF doesn't want to stop shelling/infiltrating). In order for the two parties to lay down arms even for a moment is with negotiations and agreements. We saw during the ceasefire, multiple negotiations, resulting in specific numbers of hostages from both sides released. These numbers weren't decided at the time of release, they were specifics negotiated and agreed upon between parties.

Everyone that I know, that is calling for a ceasefire wants to see a permanent ceasefire. Not one that begins with Israel stating they will return to obliterating Gaza as soon as its over, but one that results in a process toward Palestinian self-determination, ALL hostages released both by Hamas and Israel. Keep in mind, Israel holds thousands of Palestinians hostage, including many without charge or trial and during the ceasefire, Israel detained more Palestinians than they released.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

There is one issue though: Hamas will never negotiate with Israel (they literally want to wipe out every single Jew) and current israel's government probably won't negotiate, as well.

[–] timidgoat 1 points 2 years ago

Hamas does not want to wipe out every single Jew. From their 2017 charter:

Hamas affirms that its conflict is with the Zionist project not with the Jews because of their religion. Hamas does not wage a struggle against the Jews because they are Jewish but wages a struggle against the Zionists who occupy Palestine. Yet, it is the Zionists who constantly identify Judaism and the Jews with their own colonial project and illegal entity

And yes, I agree Israel won't want to negotiate, because they have no interest in allowing Palestinians the right to self determination, which is what Hamas would be negotiating for.

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