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Here is latest observational study showing efficacy of Ivermectin: https://www.cureus.com/articles/82162-ivermectin-prophylaxis-used-for-covid-19-a-citywide-prospective-observational-study-of-223128-subjects-using-propensity-score-matching
Not enough? Here are 75 other studies: https://ivmmeta.com/
The data is out there. It's not "magical thinking" induced by fear. If anything, I'd say people considering a 4th or 5th booster are engaging in fear induced reasoning, in my opinion, literally being coerced by the state to comply or lose their ability to provide for themselves and their family.
New study from Isreal acknowledges 4th booster is ineffective at preventing infection from omicron: https://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/israel-study-4th-vaccine-shows-limited-results-omicron-82312196
So now the vaccine narrative is shifting from "it will stop the pandemic" to "its llike a flu shot".
How can anyone justify denying early treatment works, reducing access to the early treatments in favor of mandating a product that does not work as promised?
We should make everything available and let patient/doctor decided, not a one-size fits all mandate and censorship of any questioning of authorities (who have been dramatically wrong over and over).
Ivermectin has small but severe incidences of side effects, and the dosage at which it would need to be administered as a covid prophylatic make those more likely, and the totality of studies is mixed.
The website you cite with 75 studies does not recommend ivermectin as a replacement for vaccines.
The news article you cite, contrary to your claims, does not claim a 4th booster is "ineffective." It says that it does indeed defend but not as effectively against omicron.
Your interpretation is "the narrative" is just a handful of vague claims being interpreted in bad faith, and ignores underlying context: there was a period when it was possible to keep the pandemic under control, and that opportunity slipped away due to a combination of antivax misinformation and public resistance, which is not the same thing as a vaccine not working.
You're an antivax crank.
Please don't call people cranks. It is a personal attack, which is disallowed by the rules. Stick to reporting misinformation and I will take care of it.
@[email protected] You're spreading misinformation. Continued promotion of Ivermectin, especially in preference to vaccines, will result in a ban.
@[email protected] It saddens me to read this accusation.
Remember when the lab leak was "conspiracy theory" and racist against Asians. Then the funding documents of the nature of the work at Wuhan comes out. Talking about lab leak was misinformation, until the evidence was overwhelming that it was a strong possibility. Isn't it in all of our interest to find out if a lab was responsible so we can fix the problem?
What happens when authorities can just say misinformation, present no evidence and silence dissent?
Why the fear of an idea? I thought this was a leftist server? I genuinely came here to have cool conversations and have been so surprised at the level of penetration that this "anti-vax" fever has gotten here.
Whats the fear? That people won't comply? How about instead of mandates they give us choice and information. Instead of censorship, they persuade us with evidence and transperancy.
I'm prepared for the moment when I come to log onto this server running Free and Open Source Software and my account has been deleted. It's sad we can't freely express ourselves. I don't think I'm being unreasonable, or harassing, or trolling and I'm certainly not engaging in personal attacks.
whyam I not allowed to question the public health policy that vaccines are the ONLY way out of this. It seems so obvious to me that that is false. There are early treatments that can be used ALONGSIDE vaccines.
I understand that vaccines may lessen severity of symptoms, but it is well doumented that they don't stop the spread or infection.
I think the vaccines are a technical marvel, we are biologically programming our cells to produce spike protein to stimulate an immune response against the virus. But why not early treatment as well?
I hope you take me at my word that I am not maliciously spreading misinformation, but genuinely inquiring and trying to reason through this crazy situation we are all in.
I wish instead of hostile responses a good faith engagement of ideas could be had. It's possible I'm wrong. It's also possible you are. How can we ever figure that out if we use the blunt instrument of censorship/banning?
I hope you don't ban me, but I'm not going to self censor. I hope you read the full thread and see that at no point did I promote Ivermectin in preference of vaccines, nor vaccines in preference of ivermection.
I figure we are all adults and can make up our individual minds and take responsibility for our own actions and should treat each other with mutual respect. I don't understand all the banning...
You are completely free to say whatever in other communities about COVID-19, Ivermectin, vaccines, etc. But in this community, I have made the moderation call that anything that smacks strongly of anti-vaccine messaging is against the rules. As for why, you may be familiar with the Camel's Nose story.