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US and allies should beat China in space race to assure rules-based order there: experts and lawmakers (www.scmp.com)

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (24 children)

I don't know if this is suppossed to be a meta-commentary/joke or not. I never said both of those things.

China is more suited for space coordination because of its productive capacity and cooperation with other nations. China will not seek to "own" outer space but to instead integrate space travel as a way to benefit itself and the world. China can care for its citizens, the US is quickly losing the ability/will to do so.

Why not try to reflect on the fact that the US only cares about space travel when China seems to overtake them ever so slightly?

I don't care what you really feel about China, but to interpret my support for China leading the space field as ignorance is just projection.

[+] drktrts 4 points 1 year ago (14 children)

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[–] intelshill 10 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Is China shipping billions of dollars in weapons to Israel as they, in 3 months, have dwarfed Ukrainian civilian casualties over 2 years? No? Well...

Did China instigate a coup of Pakistan's democratically-elected leader? No?

Is China the only country voting against the Right to Food pursuant to the Universal Declaration of Human Rights (Article 25)? No?

Hm.

[–] drktrts 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Oh look! Whataboutisms! Even when called out directly.... It's laughable

Just for posterity's sake, my previous comment

[–] intelshill 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Your claim is that China is just as ill-intentioned. It's not whataboutism to point out how that statement is wrong, because you brought that statement up yourself.

[–] drktrts 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It is, because China also has many things we can point to, which you don't even mention. I already acknowledged the US's imperialist actions, there was no need to elaborate on it, that isn't disproving me. If you were discussing in good faith, there would be no need to further elaborate on an agreed fact. The burden is on you to prove to me that China is not like that.

[–] intelshill 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You made the claim, the burden of proof is on you. It's a bit harder because I've already provided counterarguments, but here's another one for good measure:

There are 25000 mosques in Xinjiang, one for every 500 Muslims. In comparison, there are 3000 mosques in the entire US.

[–] drktrts 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm not going to engage in bad faith arguments.

But I'll clarify something with this statement just to elucidate your not so clever attempt at misinformation.

There is a way larger population in china (25m China vs 3.5m US)
Per-capita, there is greater capacity for Muslims in the United States to attend a mosque (1150 US vs 1000 China)
This is not a substantive example of anything we're talking about since it doesn't acknowledge the extent of freedoms or treatment of the Muslim populations in the respective countries. We could talk at length about the active genocide of the Uygher population in China, but I'm sure you have "reasonable explanations" for that, just as many Americans have "reasonable explanations" for their active support of Israel's actions on the Palestinian people.

Let's just accept that both nations are pretty messed up. We don't need to do a "who's worse". But these bad faith arguments are just intellectually a waste of time.