drktrts

I grew up in western public education, and I definitely learned poor treatment of indigenous, the varying ideologies, and ways of life that exist in the world, as well as the pre-cursors to western democracy. I'm not unique in this.

In no way, shape, or form is what you're saying the reality in most of North America, for quite a long time.

The caveat being, the southern states do have what you're talking about at a systemic level, but the ideas you're expressing being the norm in the majority of North America (the rest of the states, and Canada), haven't been the case for the past 40-50 years.

That doesn't mean there aren't deep systemic issues within our education system with the factors you bring up (indigenous peoples, democracy, and our "place" internationally, etc), it's just far more nuanced than whatever bullshit you're trying to sell.

So tired of seeing your rhetoric on here, dude...what's the deal?

I'm confused. Do you have to go to bed after bedtime fun?

I'm not going to engage in bad faith arguments.

But I'll clarify something with this statement just to elucidate your not so clever attempt at misinformation.

1. There is a way larger population in china (25m China vs 3.5m US)
2. Per-capita, there is greater capacity for Muslims in the United States to attend a mosque (1150 US vs 1000 China)
3. This is not a substantive example of anything we're talking about since it doesn't acknowledge the extent of freedoms or treatment of the Muslim populations in the respective countries. We could talk at length about the active genocide of the Uygher population in China, but I'm sure you have "reasonable explanations" for that, just as many Americans have "reasonable explanations" for their active support of Israel's actions on the Palestinian people.

Let's just accept that both nations are pretty messed up. We don't need to do a "who's worse". But these bad faith arguments are just intellectually a waste of time.

It is, because China also has many things we can point to, which you don't even mention. I already acknowledged the US's imperialist actions, there was no need to elaborate on it, that isn't disproving me. If you were discussing in good faith, there would be no need to further elaborate on an agreed fact. The burden is on you to prove to me that China is not like that.

Oh look! Whataboutisms! Even when called out directly.... It's laughable

Just for posterity's sake, my previous comment

That's just terribly false. All we have to do is spend 10 minutes looking at China's official statements towards some of their active international intentions to see proof otherwise. This comment will likely be deleted because it doesn't follow your narrative (just like my previous), but your statements aren't convincing anyone.

that's not the point. there have been several major incidents that have proven information in general (on both sides) have been inconsistent. That's why I suggest (since we all unanimously agree) this needs to stop and a cease-fire needs to happen asap, so we can begin the process of truly undersrabding the reality.

The UN is not unbiased or immune to misunderstanding in their reports, nor is reuters, or any other source at this point in time. We've seen this truth on several occasions. When there's two vasty opposed ans biased ministries providing pretty much the only sources of information, it's just bad practice to come to any solid conclusions. Where else in your life would you do this?

i feel like if we applied this logic to most things, the world would be a better place…

I’m no where near a pro…intermediate at best. I generally climb v-grades around 7-8. I know this feeling you’re talking about very much. Sometimes I revisit where I was, and where I’m at, and what once felt impossible to even imagine now just feels intuitive (of course it’s all relative, as anyone climbing v10 and above look like magicians to me). It sort of just happens naturally through practice and experience. Learning a skill is so wonderful!

So actually there are many cars that are nearly or just as safe as SUVs and have similar storage capacity. These arguments are often used by industry but don't really hold any weight

https://youtu.be/jN7mSXMruEo https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/rollover/unsafe/theme.html