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You're an ignoramus with an axe to grind. There's no point trying to correct your nonsense. Go read up on hypersonic weapons though.
Putin's nuclear powered, nuclear tipped, nuclear flavored wet dream? That's so pedestrian. We're living in the future, not a 1950s pulp novel. And again... they can't even maintain their conventional forces. It's highly dubious they'll be able to support more than the demo, or even that, as was the case with the Buran.
It's so pedestrian that US can't make them. Here's some more pedestrian stuff US can't produce https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Status-6_Oceanic_Multipurpose_System
You're an ignoramus with an axe to grind.
Lol. Can't or already has complete domination? I love to root for the underdog, but come on, Russia isn't even in the same league.
meanwhile in the real world https://www.politico.com/news/2021/11/20/hypersonic-technology-us-behind-china-russia-523130
Yep, that's why Russia is getting spanked by a nation the size of Nebraska. It's good to dream, but don't quit your day job.
I'd love to visit the alternate universe you inhabit one day.
There's room for you, Yogi. Join the rest of us and live in peace. There's some real issues we all need to deal with. Pull your head out of your ass and deal with the real existential threats we all face.
I'd rather stay sober than smoke whatever you're smoking.
But there can't be much air up there, with your head up your ass.
In a few months we'll conclusively see whose head is up whose ass. You seem to think that if you just convince enough people of something being true then it will magically become true. You're about to find out that's not how the real world works.
That, my friend, is straight-up projection. Yes, we shall see. But I doubt it'll be that long before the dust settles.
The difference between us is that my position is the same as that of the actual experts, like US colonels and US federal reserve. Meanwhile, your position is based on literal propaganda you consume. You go around regurgitating this nonsense while getting upset when facts are presented to you.
Lol, you're still projecting. You literally resort to name calling whenever the facts don't fit your narrative.
LOL, you clearly don't understand what the word projection means. Not really surprising given that you don't seem to understand much of anything. Also rich having you talk about facts not fitting the narrative. Facts like Russia having a stable economy that's not dependent on the west, or having advanced manufacturing capability, or even simple facts like Buran not actually being a copy of the shuttle. Funny how you just pivoted the conversation when I presented you with that fact. You keep accusing me of projection while that's precisely what you yourself are doing. The most hilarious part is that you lack any sort of self awareness and just keep clowning around here thinking you're making great points.
You make dozens of comments on a daily basis attacking people over and over, you were catastrophically wrong about fundamental facts relating to the Russian invasion of Ukraine, evinced no willingness whatsoever to engage in self-examination about why you were wrong, and you can't seem to express disagreement without antagonizing others, have an irritating inclination toward self-satisfied last-wordism which doesn't make you right but just wrong in ways that are tedious to litigate, and your entire comment history is a history of you arguing with other people 24x7.
I can't think of any thread on lemmy where you did anything that was contributing to building a positive community and I think the community would be more healthy without you here.
You're claiming that I'm catastrophically wrong about fundamental facts. What specific facts are you claiming I'm wrong about?
Meanwhile, you can feel free to block me if my comments offend you so much. What you mean by "building a positive community" must refer to having a community of people who agree with you. I think the community would be a healthier place without people such as yourself.
There's a cat and mouse game every few years where you have trolls who poison communities, and communities that adapt their community norms in response, and then trolls who adapt their behavior to new communities norms and on and on.
I think modernized community norms for 2022 would identify most of the stuff you are doing: expressing disagreement through antagonization and ridicule, gish galloping, one-dimensional focus on controversial subjects, lack of gracious contrition when wrong or even when right, and a cumulative net effect of constantly creating hostile back-and-forths as within the bounds of what it means to be a troll who poisons a community in 2022. If it were up to me we would update community norms on Lemmy to exclude this kind of behavior.
That's a complete and utter mischaracterization of my interactions with the community. Let's start with the fact that I've had my account here for two years now, and in that time pretty much all my interactions with the community have been positive. Go ahead and look back through my posts and comments.
The only time I've started having negative interactions was when I started being hounded by a handful of trolls such as @julianus on the specific topic of the conflict in Ukraine. I haven't had any negative interactions with other members of community outside literally four or five people who suddenly appeared on Lemmy and whose history is pretty much exclusively spreading misinformation about the situation in Ukraine.
I'm very glad that people such as yourself aren't deciding the norms for the community. However, you can feel free to start your own instance and invite the trolls following me around to join it. Maybe you can all be happy there together.
I believe, if you remember soferman incident, that Julianus could be soferman all over again. Not sure, because he definitely wanted to come back at some point to harm Lemmy.
So you're saying Buran was a totally new concept sprung from the free thinking of the Soviet Union? "I'm just spitballing here, comrades... let's make an oversized spaceplane that's totally unlike the American one... but we'll add jets to it!" That sounds exactly like this nationalization of McDonalds, where they keep everything exactly the same, but just change the logo. Good luck getting a resupply on those seasonal McRibs, Yogi.
What the article I linked very clearly explains is that Buran was a substantially different design from the shuttle, and the similarity to it is only skin deep. USSR was also the technological leader throughout the space race and managed to produce plenty of things like closed cycle engines that US still isn't able to manufacture on their own.
Meanwhile, I don't even live in Russia. Your whole world view is ideologically driven so you just assume I must have some personal stake in this. I'm simply explaining to you that the reality of what Russia is differs wildly from your conception of it.
The very idea of a spaceplane is flawed. But Stalinist brutality hammers out anything but conformity. Even Korolev himself spent time in a gulag! So it's no surprise Soviet engineers simply aped whatever their spies said the Americans were working on. With better bells and whistles, because Capitalism is flawed! They could worked on something actually revolutionary, instead built a knock off they only flew once.
Consider that ridiculously long table in Putin's bunker today with meek generals at the far end. Isn't that the same mentality today? It wasn't a recipe for success then nor is it now.
Stalin was around when Buran was made?
Once again, you should actually learn why both US and USSR made space planes. My favorite part in these discussions is how you just keep saying stuff that's just demonstrably false, and you could just google and learn about it instead of making shit up constantly.
Another perfect example of you having absolutely no clue about Russia or history. Zhukov promoted by Stalin precisely because he challenged Stalin and had strong opinions. And do remind me how the war worked out then, who was it that won it again?
No, I said Stalinist, since he left a stain that wasn't easily removed, even today. He did actually send Korolev to prison in Siberia, though. Imagine what the Soviet space program might have achieved, if getting sent to a gulag a daily option. Echoes of the past, as Putin threatens his generals with arrest for telling him what he doesn't want to hear.
In the US, the space shuttle's goal was to reuse expensive engines and thereby bring the cost per kg of payload down. This did not come to pass. The Soviets spent all the money to copy the same idea but never actually used it, because they concluded, as well, that it wasn't economic.
The invasion is in progress. The results are unclear at the moment, but judging by how insistent Putin and ~~Lapdog ~~Lavrov are bleating more and more about peace talks, it implies the stalled offensive cannot be sustained much longer. I honestly don't see how Ukraine can capitulate to demilitarize, given Russia's repeated aggression.
It's pretty clear that the Soviet space program achieved far more than anyone else. Sure, it could've likely achieved even more if USSR wasn't under constant threat of war from the west. However, your argument was that USSR and later Russia just copied and couldn't innovate, which is demonstrably false.
Literally the opposite of what actually happened. Stalin gave more freedom to his general as the war progressed while Hitler started making more and more decisions himself overriding his generals. Maybe learn a bit of history?
No, the space shuttle and Buran were designed as military platforms.
Oh, you're now walking back your claims to things being unclear. In fact, they appear to be quite clear to US military people https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Iw0m-Pc08Q
Last I checked, Russia's demands haven't changed in the slightest. I'll give you some free education here. Russia uses Clausewitz war doctrine where war is seen as extension of diplomacy. The goal has always been to pressure Ukraine into Russian terms, and they're using their military offensive as a lever to achieve that.
That's because you are ignorant. Go and read up on how Russia achieved this in Chechnya and Syria as two recent examples. They are following exactly the same pattern in Ukraine right now.
I don't understand how it's clear the Soviets achieved "more than anyone else." They might have, without saddled by an authoritarian government. But despite your constant harping about my lack of historical knowledge, you did know that their manned moon landing was cancelled after their N-1 booster blew up three times? Why? Lack of computers to control many small rockets at once. And of course, they're timetable was determined autocratically. It wasn't the threat from the west, it was the threats from their own government.
Lol. Where did you learn this history? Stalin regularly purged his generals for giving him bad news. Field promotions were cheap and easy to come by. Interestingly, this is why so many Russian generals have been "liquidated" recently. They're right up on the front lines because no one else has authority or information to make decisions and it's their head in the noose. Remind me, professor, when was the last time an American general was killed in action?
I think you should read Clausewitz again. NATO got Russia to break it's teeth on an unaffiliated nation. That isn't achieving Putin's goals. It's achieving NATO's goals with a minimum of effort. With an image of a mad dog, Putin has driven fence-sitting nations to join the EU and NATO. All that's left for Russia is to hide under the skirts of China. Checkmate.
Chechnya and Syria? So more war crimes, I'm afraid...
You don't understand great many things because evidently you spend all your time arguing here instead of educating yourself. Read some history perhaps?
That wasn't because they lacked computers. It was because it was literally part of the design process to launch multiple prototypes and then collect telemetry from them. Here's a whole documentary you can watch on the subject https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMbl_ofF3AM
Meanwhile, did you know that US could not replicate the engines Soviets designed for N1, and in fact after USSR collapsed US engineers refused to believe the specs on the engines because they didn't think that was possible.
Also, you may be shocked to discover that US moon program was run autocratically by the government pretty in a similar fashion to the way Soviets ran their program. Pretty much all the large scale projects US delivered were either government programs or received massive funding from the government.
Go read up on Zhukov as one example buddy.
Weird how the Soviets won the war being so incompetent while efficient and clever Europe couldn't put up a fight when German tanks rolled in.
Remind me professor when was the last time US won a war?
You will soon discover this was not the case, so I don't need to convince you of anything here.
If NATO's goals were to tank western economies and cause mass public unrest then they're achieving those goals very efficiently indeed.
Checkmate for whom though. The west isn't an industrial power, it relies on China and Russia for most of its manufacturing and resources. Now the west is cutting themselves off from the very things they need. Some serious 4d chess being played here.
How did things turn out in Chechnya and Syria. Meanwhile, they're exactly the same kinds of war crimes NATO is committing this very day.