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In some parts of Lemmy, they are absolutely making that argument.
I would imagine those people are Marxists, or other anti-capitalists. If you're somebody whose primary litmus test is whether a candidate is pro-capitalist or anti-capitalist, you might not see much of a difference between Biden and Trump because they are both staunchly pro-capitalist. But I think those people are overrepresented on lemmy and only make up a very small percentage of the actual US voter base.
Or perhaps these people live in the middle east or africa and every day they get a taste of "capitalism".
Really? Because those folks have family here, and they say "stop using our dead relatives as an excuse to let the fascists come for us too you insensitive porcelain American shit bags!"
This is the answer.
On Lemmy, yeah. The political leanings here is different than the body politic of America.
Are they literally saying they are the same person? That they share the same atoms?
Or is the point that they are the same in the most important ways?
Maybe your disagreement is over what qualities/policies are most important, but accusing them for being blind is easier than addressing the actual disagreement?
The arguments are that Biden is just as bad as Trump.
And it doesn't occur to you to ask by what metrics they think that? All metrics? One metric? A spattering of metrics?
So you agree that people on Lemmy are arguing that Biden is just as bad as Trump.
People on Lemmy are arguing that Biden is just as bad as Trump in the most important ways.
So we're in agreement.
Lol, idk I see a few differences between your statement and mine
What's the difference?
Why is that so important? It is implied in the comparison of two people. We aren't comparing unimportant differences between the two. We aren't comparing Biden and Trump's fashion sense or taste in food.
Because otherwise it sounds like the things they have in common are unimportant, like their fashion sense or taste in food.
You have a vastly different understanding of the English language than most people.
No, you just disagree that the similarities between them are as important as others think they are.
No one is thinking that. Wtf
And this is exactly how nothing ever gets done. Only criticize, never do anything, create the feeling that getting involved is pointless because"they're all the same anyway".
I hate that humans are so awful at nuance. People could absolutely praise and condemn the same person for different actions, instead they want to boil down that person's entire existence to "good, bad, different, same". And we all suffer for that
I disagree, i think insisting on accepting a binary choice is how nothing ever gets done.
"FPTP DOESN'T EXIST LALALALALA I CAN'T HEAR YOU I CAN'T HEAR YOU LALALALALA!"
So when I said we should be more nuanced... That equals BINARY THINKING FOREVER, or what?
Not at all, I agree we should be more nuanced, but I think the 'Biden is better than Trump' insistence is what leads to this kind of petty argument to begin with. There's a reason why those people are saying "biden is just as bad as trump" - they're being forced into choosing between them, when the spectrum of available action is much broader than 'vote or don't vote', including leveraging that action as a bargaining chip to improve the options on offer.
people are behaving as if there's nothing to do about Biden's inadequacies, and those are the people who seem to lack nuanced thinking.