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[–] Taiatari@lemmynsfw.com 47 points 11 months ago (51 children)

I'd like to add, my view. I'm from Lower Saxony and in an area nearby they tried for years to establish a temporary storage for the high nuclear waste. I never trusted the notion that the temporary storage will be save, properly maintained and kept from leaking into the local water supply.

Add to that, that we have had very old reactors who were constantly extended rather than properly renewed. Further emphasising that they won't care proper for the waste products.

Then Fukushima happened, the movement for anti nuclear gained massive momentum. I assumed of course that the lack in energy will be compensated by building renewables and subsidising homeowners to build their own solar on their roofs. Why wouldn't we, we were already talking about increasing renewables to safe the climate.

The announcement came that atom is being phased out. Big hooray for everyone who had to live next to the old plants or in areas where end-storage 'solutions' were.

Aaaaaaaand they increased the god damn coal which is way worse and really no one wanted but the lobby for coal and fossile fuels.

Now lots of ppl. on the internet always advocate for nuclear, but never address the fears of the ppl. properly.

The thing is, having a high nuclear toxic waste storage in your local area is shite just as shite it is to have the damn ash piles from coal.

If nuclear really wants to make a proper comeback, in my opinion the first thing they need to solve is the waste. We have too much of it already and have solar, wind and water (tidal preferably over damns because those fuckers can break if not maintained proper) who do not create any nasty waste and by products.

[–] RootBeerGuy@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (12 children)

Careful. You are waking all the people telling you that it isn't much waste that those power plants produce and its so easy to store it long term.

The same people that likely would oppose a storage like that in their own neighbourhood. I feel often people from outside Germany forget how densely populated it is, it is very hard to find area not somehow close to anyone.

And I would also never trust the promise that this storage next to my home is very definitely going to be so so safe an great.

[–] Forester@yiffit.net 8 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (9 children)

I will happily sell the land under my house to let you store sealed vessels of nuclear material. There permanently. I can do that with 100% confidence because I understand the science involved in the matters. If it's buried deep enough in a proper container, there is no risk.

[–] DdCno1@kbin.social 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

If it's so simple, why did a highly developed nation find no solution for it over the course of decades? There are no perfect containers that don't leak, there is no perfect storage location that doesn't have a chance of contaminating groundwater. The real world doesn't work like that.

[–] akakunai 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

It's not considered worth undertaking such an initiative when most nuclear power plants have no problem just leaving the heavy (solid concrete and steel) casks as they are. They are not some looming threat, and they just sit there, outside, taking up a pretty small amount of space on the plants' property. Nothing else is done because there is no real incentive to move them; no one cares.

[–] DdCno1@kbin.social 1 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Just sitting outside, exposed to the elements, changing temperatures and humidity? What a brilliant idea.

There's a reason we aren't doing this.

[–] IamtheMorgz@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

I mean, the containers are steel filled with concrete. We also leave our bridges and buildings outside, exposed to the elements.

The place in the world you are most likely to know the exact amount of radiation you are receiving at any moment is probably at a nuclear power plant. Its not like they just abandon them and never check on them or anything. They sit out in the open just... chillin. Being generally monitored but mostly just.... chillin.

[–] Forester@yiffit.net -2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Thankfully we have this miracle invention called paint . You can hit one of these things with a train and you'll kill the train. The flask will be fine. https://youtu.be/1mHtOW-OBO4?si=_VEjko6YDyKfnz31

We do do this all the time. This is currently the solution. We put it in giant flasks and store it on site because ninnies like you won't let us bury it

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