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ROUND 23: Abu Dhabi ๐Ÿ‡ฆ๐Ÿ‡ช


FORMULA 1 ETIHAD AIRWAYS ABU DHABI GRAND PRIX 2023


Circuit stats


  • First Grand Prix: 2009
  • Number of laps: 58
  • Circuit Length: 5.281 km
  • Race Distance: 306.183 km
  • Lap record: 1:26.103 Max Verstappen (2021)
  • 2022 winner: Max Verstappen

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[โ€“] [email protected] 41 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Thanks everyone for participating or lurking in our sub this season :)

[โ€“] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago

Thank YOU for all your work!

[โ€“] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Agreed, this has been a great replacement for reddit's formula1, without all of the "redditness" of it. Thanks for your efforts.

[โ€“] [email protected] 29 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The seasonโ€™s over, my friends. Try not to get too depressed during the winter. And letโ€™s hope next season is more competitive than this one.

[โ€“] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

Yes, let's hope. The only way I can take another season of utter RB domination is if they ditch Perez for someone more capable of challenging Max.

[โ€“] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

@Dmian This was still a pretty competitive season, based on what Iโ€™ve been told by longtime fans.

[โ€“] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

There was literally only one race but won by a RB. Max set a record for highest win percentage. I'd say the opposite of a competitive season.

[โ€“] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Max casually perfectly parking his car after those donuts lol.

[โ€“] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

Unreal car control, those doughnuts were Vettelesque.

[โ€“] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Strategy for Ferarri comes from the drivers, the strategists and the team principals should take an holiday.

[โ€“] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Tbh, that was a risky proposition from Charles. Had Russell passed him, it wouldโ€™ve look really bad for him. Thatโ€™s the kind of move that only comes from the driver, as the team wonโ€™t risk putting him in such a vulnerable position.

[โ€“] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

2-3 laps more that would have been a real possibility.

[โ€“] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The title needs updating :) It says Sao Paolo.

[โ€“] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

Ehehe whoops, updated

[โ€“] oxideseven 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

George not knowing Leclerc playing him dirty and thanking him for keeping it clean. Then immediately finding out from Charles that it was in fact very dirty hahahah!

Edit: It's just meant to be funny friends. The irony of George not having heard LeClerc plotting against him and then thanking him. I'm not mad at strategy.

[โ€“] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It was not that dirty. Charles could have blocked him in the apexes of the final 3-4 turns to ensure perez gains 5 seconds on him. What Charles did was more tactical than dirty

[โ€“] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

That's not what George said, he said Charles could have backed him up as well as letting Perez past, which would have been dirty. He thanked Charles for not doing that.

[โ€“] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Max in that Red Bull is something elseโ€ฆ if he continues like this, he could totally dominate next year. But since rules are not changing thereโ€™s a bit of hope that other teams may be closer.

[โ€“] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

My thinking is the opposite: with no major rules changes I don't see a reason why RB should lose any of their advantage. They've had the luxury of being able to switch focus to next year since May already and by now we're past the period where they were hit with the overspend development penalty.

I would love Ferrari or McLaren or Mercedes or Aston to be able to challenge next year, but I'm honestly assuming the next time we can hope to see a fight for the championship is '26.

Keep in mind that Max is so good that for a battle for first place to happen he either needs to have a teammate that is almost equal (not going to happen) or a car that is actually not equal but slightly slower than his challenger.

I can't imagine that happening without a major rules shakeup (and even then it would require Newey to get things wrong which - let's be honest - is also unlikely).

It's not unrealistic to think this dynasty will last until Max decides he's had enough of F1.

[โ€“] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Things wonโ€™t change much because these rules are aero-dependent, and Newey has nailed aero development for F1. But it doesnโ€™t mean other teams can make progress in aero development. They know itโ€™s just trying things until they find something that works. Most teams have the engine part controlled by now.

The new rules for 2026 will make aero less important, and may give a better opportunity to other teams. But Iโ€™m praying that we donโ€™t get something similar to the Mercedes dominance when hybrids arrived.

That being said, I still expect Max to be there fighting for a championship, even if the Red Bull is negatively impacted by the new rules.

[โ€“] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

They've had the luxury of being able to switch focus to next year since May already.

Well between the penalty and the fact that they naturally get less time because of their championship position, teams like McLaren would have had almost 50% more testing time. This and the fact that updates on this year's car carry over to the next in my opinion nullify the advantage RB got from stopping upgrades early. What is an issue for other teams is that with the design team that RB has, I back them to make better improvements than the others even if the testing time allocated for next year by all the teams is the same

[โ€“] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

It's the Mercedes era all over again. The dominant design formula is determined and everybody is a year behind the team the came up with the formula.

It'll become closer and closer so Red Bull need a strong second driver so they can't lose on strategy.

[โ€“] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

Stop blaming Ferrari for sainz's strategy. He was slow today and there was no way he was ending up ahead of hamilton or even in the points. They rolled the dice with best option they had

[โ€“] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I think the problem was not strategy, it was the car. It was just slow (and no, Sainz is not that slow. Remember heโ€™s the only non-Red Bull winner this year, and heโ€™s been really close to Charles all year, Charles being one of the fastest drivers on the grid).

They even had to retire the car at the end, so, something was clearly not working. Maybe they expected to go faster, but realized there was something wrong, and eventually gave up with it. It was a sad end of season for Sainz, who, other than the last two races, has had a really consistent season so far.

[โ€“] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I guess the crash fucked up something and there wasn't enough time to find it and fix it

[โ€“] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

This is what I think too. A pity. Iโ€™m sure he wanted to help the team get second place, but it wasnโ€™t possible. Weโ€™ll see what happens next year. Apparently theyโ€™re trying something new.

[โ€“] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Can I blame AR for bottas' strategy? I mean the AR didn't have the speed for points but jfc that one stopper was rough to look at, even if the "sc strat" -brainrot was behind it

[โ€“] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Considering tsunoda made the one stop work pretty well, I think that it was worth the risk for AR. They were going to finish well outside the points anyway and went for it.

[โ€“] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

AT is a better car and bottas is certainly not a tire whisperer (at least during his reign in AR), I really don't see how it would've worked without godsent safety cars.

[โ€“] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The problem was his qualifying yesterday. He would have been in the points if he started near to Charles. Like a lot of teams there were a lot of team mates with big qualifying gaps going on, so something odd happened on Saturday.

[โ€“] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Williams finish seventh in the constructor. Let's go.

[โ€“] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Why was Hamilton driving into Gasly allowed, while a wheel to wheel battle resulting in touching wheels was punished with 5 seconds for Perez?

[โ€“] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Gasly locked up, if he hadn't Lewis wouldn't have hit him. As Gasly lost control of his car first it's a racing incident. If Gasly hadn't first locked up Lewis would be looking at a penalty.

[โ€“] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Hamilton and Gasly is pretty clear cut. Gasly locked up and Hamilton couldn't respond in time which is why Hamilton hit Gasly, that's a pretty clear racing incident. Norris and Perez isn't that clear cut.

I can absolutely understanding arguing that it was just a racing incident because Perez didn't expect Norris to turn in and Norris didn't expect Perez to run wide. But at the same time there's an argument to be made that Perez could've turned into the apex but decided to go wide (and watching it back it does seem like he doesn't really commit to the apex which makes him go wide).

The stewards seemed to have gone for the latter explanation and given him a penalty, which seems like a consistent ruling considering Max got the same penalty for a similar situation in Las Vegas (and there Max had a bigger case for it being a racing incident).

[โ€“] [email protected] -4 points 1 year ago

Now that the season is over, maybe the planet can start recovering from all that gas they burned