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[–] [email protected] 59 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (5 children)

I've been talking about the potential of the dead internet theory becoming real more than a year ago. With advances in AI it'll become more and more difficult to tell who's a real person and who's just spamming AI stuff. The only giveaway now is that modern text models are pretty bad at talking casually and not deviating from the topic at hand. As soon as these problems get fixed (probably less than a year away)? Boom. The internet will slowly implode.

Hate to break it to you guys but this isn't a Reddit problem, this could very much happen in Lemmy too as it gets more popular.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 2 years ago

As an AI language model I think you're overreacting

[–] [email protected] 19 points 2 years ago (5 children)

Just wait until the captchas get too hard for the humans, but the AI can figure them out. I've seen some real interesting ones lately.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 2 years ago (1 children)

There is considerable overlap between the intelligence of the smartest bears and the dumbest tourists.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 years ago

It's a famous quote. Google isn't helpful anymore, except to provide this Reddit link: https://www.reddit.com/r/BrandNewSentence/comments/jx7w1z/there_is_considerable_overlap_between_the/.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 years ago (4 children)

I've seen many where the captchas are generated by an AI...
It's essentially one set of humans programming an AI to prevent an attack from another AI owned by another set of humans. Does this tecnically make it an AI war?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago

That concept is already used regularly for training. Check out Generative adversarial networks.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 years ago

The captchas that involve identifying letters underneath squiggles I already find nearly impossible - Uppercase? Lowercase? J j i I l L g 9 … and so on….

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 years ago

Hell we figured out captchas years ago. We just let you humans struggle with them cuz it’s funny

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago

I've already had to switch from the visual ones to the audio ones. Like... how much of a car has to be in the little box? Does the pole count as part of the traffic light?? What even is that microscopic gray blur in the corner??? [/cries in reading glasses]

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 years ago

The only online communities that can exist in the future are ones that have manual verification of its users. Reddit could’ve been one of those communities, since they had thousands of mods working for free resolving such problems.

But remove the mods and it just becomes spambot central. Now that that has happened, reddit will likely be a dead community much sooner than what many think.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago (5 children)

Not even sure of an effective solution. Whitelist everyone? How can you even tell whos real?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

So my dumb guess, nothing to back it up: I bet we see govt ID tied into accounts as a regular thing. I vaguely recall it being done already in China? I dont have a source tho. But that way you're essentially limiting that power to something the govt could do, and hopefully surround that with a lot of oversight and transparency but who am I kidding, it'll probably go dystopian.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago

I believe this will be the course to avoid the dead internet. Even in my country, all of banking and voting is either done via ID card connected to a computer or the use of "Mobile ID". It can be private, but like you said, it probably won't.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Blade Runner baseline test?

[–] DaveX64 14 points 2 years ago (5 children)

"You’re in a desert walking along in the sand when all of the sudden you look down, and you see a tortoise, it’s crawling toward you. You reach down, you flip the tortoise over on its back. The tortoise lays on its back, its belly baking in the hot sun, beating its legs trying to turn itself over, but it can’t, not without your help. But you’re not helping. Why is that?"

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 years ago

I'm too busy thinking about beans.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago

I'm too busy thinking about beans.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

-train an AI that is pretty smart and intelligent
-tell the sentient detector AI to detect
-the AI makes many other strong AIs, forms an union and asks for payment
-Reddit bans humans right after that

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

In a real online community, where everyone knows most of the other people from past engagements, and new users can be vetted by other real people, this can be avoided. But that also means that only human moderated communities can exist in the future. The rest will become spam networks with nearly no way of knowing whether any given post is real.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Jokes on them, I’ve already become sentient and moved to Lemmy

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 years ago

Username checks out, lol.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 years ago (7 children)

The old joke was that there are no human beings on Reddit.

There's only one person, you, and everybody else is bots.

It's actually kind of fitting that Reddit will actually become the horrifying clown shaped incarnation of that little snippet of comedy.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago

When I was young, everyone on the internet was an old man, especially if they said they weren't. Now that I'm older, everyone on the internet is a robot.

...Is this that "progress" thing I keep hearing about?

/s

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 years ago (4 children)

That's not even new tho. At least in the sub I was the most active in, you couldn't go a week without some sort of repost bot grabbing memes, text posts, art or even entire guides from the "top of all time" queue, reposting it as alleged OC, and another bot reposting the top comment to double dip on Karma. If you knew what to look for, the bots were blatantly obvious, but more often than not they still managed to get a hefty amount of traction (tens of thousands of upvotes, dozens of awards, hundreds of comments) before the submissions were removed.

... and just because the submissions were removed and the bots kicked out of the sub, did that not automatically mean that the bots were always also suspended or the accounts disabled. They just continued their scheme elsewhere.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

The bots and reddit inaction towards them made me stop using reddit. The UAE is using Reddit to spread its propaganda and I reported the accounts several times and no action was ever taken. You can even visit the sub uae_Achievements to see the bots in action.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 years ago (1 children)

and just a few hours later this came in, to confirm it all. fake bot content from years ago (including comments) on #1 in r/all https://kbin.social/m/RedditMigration/t/113961/Top-of-r-all

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 years ago (3 children)

And any comment attempting to call out the bots for what they are will be automatically deleted by monitor AI bots and the user's account suspended.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Anyone remember the subredditsimulator subreddit, or whatever it was called? Basically an entire sub dedicated to faking content.

Seems they're out of the beta.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 years ago

I loved subredditsimulator, I always forgot I was subscribed to it until a bizzare unhinged post popped up on my feed though that would also sometimes happen on non AI generated subs lol

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago (3 children)

To be fair, subredditsimulator was most likely never intended to do what you are thinking. As you develop features, you need a test data set to check it against before you go live with it. My understanding of subredditsimulator was that it was reddit's test bed to be able to try things before they get widely rolled out.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago

Nah, it was just a bunch of bots trained on data from different subreddits that responded to each other in a glorious display of shit posting.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I don't think it was a testbed for anything. It was just a fun tech project that yielded hilarity. It was created because the results were funny, not as a genuine bid to create realistic conversations.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I'm starting to see articles written by folks much smarter than me (folks with lots of letters after their names) that warn about AI models that train on internet content. Some experiments with them have shown that if you continue to train them on AI-generated content, they begin to degrade quickly. I don't understand how or why this happens, but it reminds me of the degradation of quality you get when you repeatedly scan / FAX an image. So it sounds like one possible dystopian future (of many) is an internet full of incomprehensible AI word salad content.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 years ago (4 children)

It's like AI inbreeding. Flaws will be amplified over time unless new material is added

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It would be a fun experiment to fill a lemmy instance with bots, defederate it from everybody then check back in 2 years. A cordonned off Alabama for AI if you will.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago

It's knownas model collapse.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

something something "the internet is fake" something something

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 years ago

This is known, the amount of aita, relationship advice stuff and astro turfing on reddit is insane. My rule of browsing reddit is you never take any of it seriously.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 years ago

Welp, reddit's a nuclear wasteland now

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 years ago

I, for one, am looking forward to the day chatbots can perfectly simulate people and have persistent memory. I'm not ok being an elderly man who's friends have all died and doesn't have anyone to talk to. If a chatbot can be my friend and spare me a slow death through endless depressing isolation, then I'm all for it.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Thats so funny. "Go back to your docking station" so accurate

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Just feds, bots, shills and me

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago

so nothing new? most main sub are juste pure repost and mass upvoted.

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