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[–] [email protected] 159 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Please start with banning crosses as wall decoration in bavarian public authorities

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 year ago

That's how I know this law will absolutely be used to target specific religions unless the fundamentalist Christians take it too far.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Would be too funny to see Markus SΓΆder's face if this would actually happen. "DeClInE oF tHe OcCiDeNt" or something like that.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I think they are already illegal by the Grundgesetz and Bavaria is just Bavaria and do whatever they want.

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[–] [email protected] 62 points 1 year ago (4 children)

How about crosses in public institutions? Asking for a (bavarian) friend.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 year ago

Yes please ban those too

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[–] [email protected] 50 points 1 year ago (1 children)

In Italy I was a member of UAAR (The Union of Rationalist Atheists and Agnostics) and we supported the legal costs of people battling against crucifixes in the workplace, compulsory prayers and even acoustic pollution caused by the church bells. This was in the late '90s to early '00s.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago (7 children)

acoustic pollution caused by the church bells.

I really, really wish religious people would finally switch to clocks and phone notifications for their niche events like everyone else. Many people also have an odd romantic notion of this noise pollution. Sort of like the idiots who think loud motorbikes or sports cars make them look cool.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

I guess it's cus everyone has a different standard of what pollution is for them. For me, the sound of windchimes calm me, I find industrial air vents relaxing, and church bells oddly peaceful, but can't stand someone even driving near me, dogs barking, babies crying, or fluorecent lights flickering. But you know, people need to drive, dogs and babies need to talk, and the world goes on.

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[–] [email protected] 44 points 1 year ago (122 children)

Good, fuck religion. The earlier we get rid of that shit, the earlier we can unify as a species.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

That will never happen. If religion is erased from the equation, ideology or culture will take it's place and cause friction

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

Religion is ideology and culture that has caused friction for many years now. Thats the whole point of removing it.

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[–] [email protected] 35 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

I’m not sure a hijab is a religious symbol. It’s just a covering worn for religious reasons. The hijab doesn’t have a fixed design or pattern that makes it significantly different from what western women wore in the fifties.

And if you can’t go out in public dressed like Sophia Loren, what even is the point of western civilization?

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 year ago (5 children)

I’m not sure a hijab is a religious symbol. It’s just a covering worn for religious reasons.

The problem is, far rights won't care.

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 year ago (42 children)

Good. Religion is like a penis, you don't pull it out in public or at work.

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (21 children)

can they ban you for wearing a necklace with a cross? or a scarf around your head? This is madness, what bad does it do to other people, this is like banning lgbtq people from kissing outside cause it makes others uncomfortable.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago (9 children)

This isn't about banning people from wearing their religious merchandise in public. This is banning religious objects from workplaces. More precisely just public workplaces. Of course a secular state should also have secular workplaces. And the way labour rights are personal life can be completely banned from your workplace. Why would religion be treated differently?

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago

In Spain religious symbols in public workplaces, official places and buildings are banned since years. You will see them only in religios buildings and churches, maybe in some old monuments.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago (4 children)

So are headscarves for non-religious women going to be banned too? What about other modest clothing?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (7 children)

Are headscarves for men going to be banned?

I’m really curious to see what ends up getting caught in these laws.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

Like Sikh turbans and Emerati ghutra? Yeah, I wonder too.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago

If I can't judge women by their cover, I'm gonna need them all to get naked.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (4 children)

How could I tell apart an islamic and an atheist headscarf? My mother often wore one in the 1960s and 70s, as was the fashion back then.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (8 children)

I mean, it's more about code of vestment. Let's say the code of certain workplace say that you have to have your face fully visible, you can't wear anything that obstructs your face, if religious symbols were allowed you can justify yourself with "religious obligation", the "atheist headscarf" was banned from the start

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