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These are two clues from an old Globe and Mail cryptic. I know the answers to both, but the answers don't make any sense to me.

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Silly things but capital savers (5)

spoilerGEESE

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Mimi's was frozen on watch (6 4)

spoilerMINUTE HAND

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Any ideas for either of these?

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[–] clump 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The first one is a double pun.

spoilerThe first part "silly things" refers to the phrase "silly goose", which pluralized makes "geese". The second part "capital savers" is harder to understand. According to an analysis of the original Guardian puzzle solutions, it alludes to an ancient tale of how geese (supposedly) saved the roman capitol from invading gauls. That explanation, however, does not explain why the word is spelled "capital. Perhaps that difference is just a nested pun on the letter-switching (oo to ee) used to make the plural in the first part, or "capital savers" may instead (or as well) refer to the fairy tale of the goose that laid golden eggs (gold being capital, and the goose being something that should be saved and not cooked/killed).

[–] cliambrown 1 points 2 years ago

Thanks! Pretty sure it's the story about saving Rome. (As for the spelling, capital seems to be the standard spelling for a capital city.)

[–] mars 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The second one apparently requires you to have knowledge of popular Italian operas of the early 1900s. (I don't. I just found via Googling) 😂

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Che_gelida_manina

[–] cliambrown 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Wow, that is a pretty obscure reference AND a complex pun.

spoiler"minute" as in small — although I would argue that adding in "on watch" doesn't make a ton of sense here

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Thanks!

[–] mars 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

No problem! It was a fun little journey through Google. 😄

spoilerI'm guessing that "on watch" is a double and just simply refers to being in the opera's audience and watching the scene play out in front of you? Maybe? 😅


[–] Loet 1 points 2 years ago

Could it refer to the minute hand on an analogue watch ⌚ ?

I've never understood the cryptic xword even when I saw the answers. The Globe's quick crossword is hard enough for me 😂

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

For the second one, see the Wikipedia entry for Che gelida manina.