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Reddit's business model is unholy and toxic (techtudor.blogspot.com)
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[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 years ago

I've been looking around for other sources to corroborate this and I'm not finding anything good. A sibling already pointed out a discussion of "NSFB" from 2018 (another one from that trusted source of quality journalism, Blogspot). The earlier article was discussed on HN and it looks like a fundamentally different use case - most likely an indicator of which subreddits are appropriate for displaying advertisements.

I'm not saying this article is false - it does link to this notabug thing which shows a "nsfb" flag (however that works). It is, however, literally the only case I've been able to find of "article removed and tagged nsfb". Does anyone have any other information to confirm that this is really what's happening, or more than a once-off?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 years ago

I wrote about the same problem in the context of political organizing in the "We Must Own Our Tools" article recently. Open platforms like Lemmy and Mastodon have to be the future of social media.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 years ago (1 children)

Not Safe For Brands? I don’t know whether to laugh or cry. Ridiculous.

Does Lemmy have any kind of protection against stuff like vote manipulation from bot accounts?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 years ago (1 children)

Their goal would probably just be to have what twitter has, where brands like burger king and wendys, who have thousands of followers, send heart emojis back and forth to other brands, lol.

Does Lemmy have any kind of protection against stuff like vote manipulation from bot accounts?

Not besides the captcha signup. BUT, my original intention was, unlike reddit, which is happy to allow bots and vote manipulation, to be very strict about having bots be a separate entity from users. And the fact that most bots or things like RES are just extra features that reddit wouldn't or didn't think to add in the first place. Being an open source project, its possible to add those features directly into lemmy.

One way I can think of to keep out bots past signup, is to periodically, maybe every few weeks, log users out and require a captcha for sign in again, but I imagine people wouldn't like being logged out. Its something we'll def have to keep an eye on.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 4 years ago (1 children)

Just do not use a privacy violating captcha. This is one of the most critical reasons why users see Lemmy as so nice.

HCaptcha is nice, and there might be some other alternatives too. Also avoid CloudFlare.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 years ago (2 children)

We use an open-source rust based captcha in lemmy internally. HCaptcha is def not as bad as google, but its still a silicon valley company, and doesn't offer a self-hostable version, and isn't open source in the slightest. Cloudflare is absolutely awful, we'll never use it.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 years ago* (last edited 4 years ago) (1 children)

What's an alternative to cloudflare? Not getting ddossed is good

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 years ago

For most things, ddos protection isn't gonna be necessary, they're targeted attacks. For most servers, simple nginx rate limiting, ufw, and fail2ban or https://github.com/crowdsecurity/crowdsec are good enough... there are good guides for doing other things too like disabling password-based ssh logins.

Good VPS's will offer anti-ddos protection, we were getting hit here pretty hard until we moved to ovh. Cloudflare should never be an option though, that gives them all form submits, including passwords, all client-server data unencrypted.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 4 years ago (1 children)

Very interesting and very nice. I appreciate this hard stance which made me see Lemmy uniquely among all these Reddit alternatives that pop up everyday.

One interesting thing is that most toxic ignorant Redditors so affectionate about their racism hatred or love of corporate capitalism never consider trying to pollute Lemmy.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 years ago (1 children)

I caught a QAnon guy trying to start a group here lol. Luckily we banned him and his community before he dragged anybody else over here.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 4 years ago

I pity people who fall for their trap. Most victims often are otherwise intelligent, but only are socially discriminatory or unintelligent. Followers often are not a pure extension of one's ideology.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 years ago (1 children)

Reddit, Facebook, Twitter in One word:

CHINA

[–] [email protected] -1 points 4 years ago

Actually, eveything that has to do with the above entities is USA USA USA

And maybe a good seasoning of Europe. China is nothing more than the oregano sprinkled on a pizza after it has been served.