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Appreciation post for db0 admins in light of .world blocking /c/ piracy and similar /c/'s . (lemmy.dbzer0.com)

submitted 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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I understand why they did what they did and it makes me think of how db0 and other admins are saying fuck all and taking a very big liability for making and supporting a free internet and i want to say all the work you do is very much appreciated. Also shoutout to lemmy.ml admins for running a similar community on their own .

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[–] [email protected] 86 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (3 children)

Here's the donations links from on the sidebar mateys. The server is currently is not covering its hosting costs ;)

EDIT: Removed since they're in the OP now

[–] [email protected] 19 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Added to the post .

[–] [email protected] 13 points 11 months ago (2 children)

What are the current hosting costs? Every cent counts, but how much do y'all need?

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 11 months ago

The ko-fi page has that info i think.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Man, I didn't realize there were only 22 people supporting you monthly.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago (2 children)

53 of us are on Patreon too

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[–] [email protected] 83 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I will never defederate from y’all ❤️

[–] [email protected] 26 points 11 months ago (1 children)

OT, that's a very nice UN and instance name you have!

[–] [email protected] 14 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Thank you! I started the server as a random project right after I left Reddit and shredded all of my posts. I’m pretty sure I’m the only active user but that’s okay by me. It’s a little money out of my pocket to give both myself and others refuge from social media and all of the enshitification.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago

Don't mention it! Your reasoning and mindset is so very heartening, I hope you'll get more active users, they'll be in good hands for sure. Instance owners like your self, db0 are a treasure. 👌

[+] [email protected] 67 points 11 months ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (7 children)

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Do y'all think this "cleaning up" has to do with their META threads integration?

You mean as opposed to their stated reason: DMCA?

[+] [email protected] 17 points 11 months ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Awesome username, BTW

I think (as their open communications on the subject have indicated) that they prefer to keep their legal liability profile slim. In the end, no matter how many users you have in your instance, you're still alone in that court room against the monopolies that represent content rights holders.

From what I can tell they (at least the older admins and Ruud) seem to have no love for Meta, but they aren't chicken little about it either. Federated or not, Meta can easily scrape Lemmy data, so if you mean that .world defederated to pretty up their image and make themselves attractive to Meta, I just don't see the point, but also, it seems like a conspiracy theory to me.

There's a piece on TF about a website that closed down years ago, and has been acquitted four times of their "crimes" of linking (as opposed to hosting), and due to a new definition of "communicate" is being sued a fifth time. The sue-happy rights holders have no compunction against going back to destroy anyone they perceive at any time to have infringed "their" works. Look at Reddit, still defending users against identification for doing what? Saying their ISP was lenient about DMCA notices. To protect against that garbage, you have to be careful, and perhaps remove content you agree with to CYA.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Yeah. I have a lot of concerns over how much market share .world has and some of the really questionable things the admins have done (removing protections related to hate speech from their TOS, having a policy of wiping all comments of a user and accusing them of pretty heinous shit, etc).

But I 100% support this particular action. We run VPNs and use burner emails when we pirate stuff. They don't really have that luxury due to the nature of web hosting. So kudos to the instance owners who are willing to play with fire on our behalf but... I sure wouldn't.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago

We run VPNs and use burner emails when we pirate

Excellent and appropriate point to make. The real problem is with the deference that copyright and "IP" are given in courts around the world, and the way trade agreements force members to adopt similar stances in their legislation and prosecution. Even if IPFS can help our cause in some way, the industry will waste no time criminalizing it.

Sigh... 46 and 2

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Wait, they are federating with Threads? I thought everyone, even single-user instances blocked them. WTF?

[–] somethingchameleon 16 points 11 months ago

Yeah, this is why users should get to decide which instances they get to see.

Let's be our own moderators instead of relying on useful idiots to do it for us.

[–] somethingchameleon 10 points 11 months ago

Do y’all think this “cleaning up” has to do with their META threads integration?

I think bad actors have infiltrated their admin team and are pushing their own agenda.

Lots of useful idiots want to ban discussion of piracy because it makes them realize how they're getting ripped off.

Nobody wants to acknowledge how they're being taken for a ride, especially useful idiots.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I am specifically not on world because they want me to sign up with my real email address. Nty, deanonymizing fucks.

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Sam from LOTR saying “I donated to DB0, together we can share the load”

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago

Just went to ko-fi too, i use lemmy daily and i love this instance & the admins here, and thats worth a few bucks a month

[–] [email protected] 25 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Care to ELI5 for us casuals who did not catch and are missing the obvious?

[–] [email protected] 40 points 11 months ago (1 children)

AFAIK Lemmy.world (the largest Lemmy instance) was issued a takedown request for something unrelated, and conducted a review of the piracy communities following that.

Unfortunately they decided to remove/unfed a few piracy communities as a result, such as this one on dbzer0.

So while we are still all federated, lemmy.world users can no longer see or interact with the [email protected] community ☹️

[–] [email protected] 12 points 11 months ago (1 children)

So we can still things from them but they can’t see things from us?

I suppose that’s why people make at least two accounts.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 11 months ago

I think they've just defederated the community, so they can see users commenting from dbzer0 but can't access [email protected] themselves.

But generally yes, federation is two way. It's possible for one side to defederate while the other side to be federated, in which case users on one side could post comments but they'd only be visible to instances that are federated with them. Eg, if lemmy.world was not federated with dbzer0 at all, but it was still federated with lemmy.ml, then dbzer0 comments in lemmy.world would show up for dbzer0 and lemmy.ml users but not for lemmy.world.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 11 months ago (4 children)

db0 is a personal hero of mine I have been a follower since his OCTGN creations.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 11 months ago (1 children)

What’s that acronym?

[–] [email protected] 9 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Divided by zero

[–] [email protected] 14 points 11 months ago (3 children)

I meant the other one lol

[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Hahah! This answer works for me, because I was unsure what db0 was. Now I hopefully learn two new acronyms

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago

Online Card and Tabletop Gaming Network

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Laughed out loud

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 11 months ago (1 children)

As someone who just started with this community, I'll admit that I'm a little confused by what happened. Appreciate everyone who puts in time here though!

[–] [email protected] 8 points 11 months ago (4 children)

One of the largest instances, lemmy.world, is no longer receiving posts from this community. They're worried about legal troubles I think?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago (4 children)

Legally I think they’d probably be exempted from liability as a common carrier, similar to how your email server isn’t going to get sued if you mail someone a link to piracy. I doubt they’re interested in testing that theory though.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

That's a stretch to call any new website, especially with the market share of Lemmy, a common carrier.

By that reasoning, narcotics mules are common carriers. "I didn't know it was H in that bag in my bum! I thought it was a recipe for oatmeal cookies! Don't blame me!"

Edit: I should add that I would love a broad classification of simple facilitators like email and Lemmy etc. as common carriers. Just doesn't seem likely with the lobby man-hours working to prevent even true common carriers from getting that classification.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

I don’t think comparing a federated message board to smuggling drugs is as fair a comparison as say email or Usenet, also federated services which have both been granted common carrier in the past, but go off I guess.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Fair. I picked another activity that's illegal on its face that stood out for its absurdity. Now I'm researching when Usenet or email were ever classified as CC, hopefully benefiting from this discussion.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

In fairness I may be mistaken. It seems ISPs were extended common carrier protections in relation to hosting Usenet and email and I conflated that with the protocols themselves. Either way it was a long time ago and I doubt they’d extend those protections to generic web platforms these days, but I’d sure like someone to set a precedent for it.