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I've been on Wayland for the past two years exclusively (Nvidia).

I thought it was okay for the most part but then I had to switch to an X session recently. The experience felt about the same. Out of curiosity, I played a couple of games and realized they worked much better. Steam doesn't go nuts either.

Made me think maybe people aren't actually adopting it that aggressively despite the constant coverage in the community. And that maybe I should just go back.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago (2 children)

I've been daily driving it on some devices for maybe 6 months.

My only showstopper was input-leap, but I have not had to use it for two months. So I've gone all-in since. It works better in every sense - except for the input-leap thing.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

I have been for the past month now. All of my games are now working.

Previously no and the reason was bc of Nvidia issues, but they all seem resolved now for the most part

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

Plasma 6 fixed a lot of issues I had with Wayland, mostly multi monitor, but I've been using it since steam on X11 would cause your entire desktop environment to freeze up consistently every time. I read it was because steam was constantly pinging your display ports to see if there was another monitor connected, but I don't know how true that is. Moving to Wayland fixed that probably because of xwayland

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago (2 children)

KDE Wayland is an epilepsy inducing flickerfest with my Nvidia GPU, so it's off limits until they fix it. Games usually run fine on X11, but one exception I noticed is Noita, it runs like crap on X11, and runs great on Wayland for some reason.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

Have been using GNOME with Wayland on a dual GPU NVIDIA laptop for 2 years. DE runs on the integrated Intel card; Steam, games, anything that needs dGPU runs on NVIDIA. It’s been a smooth experience.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

Used it for the last few years. X just doesn't work right with multiple monitors of different resolution.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

I've been using it since Plasma 6 came out so about 3-4 weeks.

Overall, it's been a very negative experience for me. The main problems have been:

  • Random scaling issues in apps: some apps show a slightly smaller cursor, other show a poorly upscaled one, others have random rendering issues like lines remaining on the screen after an option is no longer highlighted (gimp, libreoffice, many others), some apps have random flickering of parts of the UI, some apps no longer scale at all or are scaled twice. Plasmashell itself has blurry icons on the desktop but all other KDE apps don't. I know fractional scaling has always been problematic, but it has gotten worse to the point of being almost unusable
  • Random crashes of GTK apps when using the wayland backend. Some GTK apps don't even start and segfault immediately with a wayland error in the terminal
  • Some apps like okular and libreoffice lag like crazy or outright freeze when scrolling
  • Some games not capturing the cursor properly (Proton)
  • Inconsistent font rendering, some fonts look fine in some apps and atrocious in others
  • Issues when resizing or moving windows, some times they "jerk" off the screen or resize to a very tiny window and I'm forced to use key combinations to resize them again
  • Random issues with window decoration not appearing in some apps but randomy appearing for things like context menus

This is on a full AMD system with Arch Linux, the latest kernel and mesa-git. I hope for KDE's sake that there's something broken in my installation because I can't believe the KDE team released Plasma 6 in this sorry state.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

I haven't run KDE 6 but on Kubuntu with the last LTS 5.27 release, I don't have any of those issues also on a fully AMD system

You know, some personal anecdote here but Arch is a really shitty distro when it comes to subtle, hard to detect, system config breakage so maybe there's something wrong somewhere in the system?

Give it a try with another distro like Debian or something and see if the issues happen there

And if they do, for the love of fuck FILE BUG REPORTS! The only reason we're here today is because people who got annoyed at shit filed bug reports for it

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

I tried Wayland many times in the past ~6 years, usually with Sway (but I tried most other compositors, other than KDE's), but I always came back to X11 (using cwm).

Around two months ago I started using river, and I think I'll stick with it. There are enough Wayland protocols which now exist (and are supported by river) that using a minimal compositor feels pretty similar to just using a window manager on X.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 11 months ago (5 children)

I had it on a test system and Chrome/Chromium wasn't happy. Slow af. Dunno if it had an impact on Firefox, but that used a lot of RAM and was very slow when sharing the screen.

At least Waydroid worked flawlessly 👍

For now, I'm back on X11 where I game. I'll just wait for it come by default on major distros ("stable"), wait a little longer (stable for real) and then switch once nothing on my system needs "XWayland" or whatever. wine does AFAIK, so at least due to that, no Wayland for me.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 11 months ago (5 children)

Probably never. X11 just works better. Wayland has bad design and bad implementations.

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[–] [email protected] -1 points 11 months ago

I'll switch to wayland when it runs better than X. And that isn't the case for now.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (11 children)

I will daily drive Wayland when it becomes Xorg function equivalent e.g. functional screen capture and overlays like every other OS (so never)

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