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I find myself using them on pretty much every platform that has them: matrix, masto, discord, etc.

These would be completely separate from votes, and have no affect on sorting.

What do you think the positives and negatives would be of having them?

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 years ago

All platforms seem to have them now, except they make theirs paid. Think about it: custom emojis linked to your instance that work cross-instances. And why stop there? Use all emojis from other instances that are federated to yours as well. All free, without limitations, for all users.

Argument 2: they're just fun.

Argument 3: reactions can cut down on useless replies. Many forums have had a "thanks" system in place for years before it was popular and I think it helps cut down on "came here to say this" or "+1" replies. Scratches that itch of not being the first one to offer a solution.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 years ago

It can become a virtual reward and punishment mechanism that feels like a dopamine sucker. Think of what likes and dislikes, or these reaction emojis did to Facebook posts.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago)

As long as I can disabled them

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 years ago (1 children)

What about using :) ;) ^^ -.- instead?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 years ago

Sounds good for me :D

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 years ago

Not super necessary, imo. But custom emojis would be nice and they seem to draw more people to a platform.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 years ago

I love them because it gives you a succinct way to reply without having to type out a response.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 years ago

One possible implementation would be coalescing "single-glyph-responses" into a "reaction count" on the ui-layer. so instead of seeing several identical comments like: πŸ‘, its visually more like slack, but on the backend its just a regular comment πŸ€”

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 years ago

This is one of the most civilized, better argumented and well exposed discussions thata I seen in the internet in a long time.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 years ago

yay from me

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago)

I don't think they are necessary per-se, but would be nice for cross-system federation, similar to how polls like in Mastodon aren't really necessary in Lemmy, but would be still nice to have.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 years ago

If they had no effect I probably wouldn't mind them, idk. Maybe they would clutter the UI?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (1 children)

GitHub also adopted it, and I would say it depends on the platform and target.

For a developer platform I find this unprofessional, but for traditional chat systems it might be useful if you quickly want to go through lots of messages and get a first impression about what the community thinks about topic X.

On Lemmy I would prefer emojis to up and down votes, the reason is that people often do not bother to explain why they up or down voted it.

I would argue, overall, that adding it puts maybe a bit more pressure on the server for no actual benefit.

I overall would like such a feature here on Lemmy but only if there are limits how you can use them, I speculate some people would constantly add and then remove them with might cause some more traffic and pressure on the server, so there should be a limit. Unregistered people should not be allowed to add reaction or use them, only one reaction per post or within x hours.. and such limitations.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 years ago (1 children)

For a developer platform I find this unprofessional

I know I'm off-topic, but why is it so? I find them rather neat, as they allow for quick and concise responses (yes, no, agree, disagree, interesting, curious, yay, gj, etc).

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 years ago (1 children)

Emojis are not universal and can be misinterpreted.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 years ago

Some emojis are pretty much universal, while others clearly aren't. The ones in GitHub's selection are pretty normal, with exception of the thumbs-up/down I suppose (reading from that article). It's really a matter of context. In most cases, the use of emoji reactions is fine and brings benefits.
If someone isn't okay with them, I think they should politely ask their colleagues to stop using them, which is, in my opinion, a better compromise than just not having reactions altogether.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 years ago

🀩 please.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 years ago (1 children)

I do love them, but it'd be hard for them to not get real visually noisy. Also they'd need to be moddable (ex: racists using monkey emojis to harass). Also would they be anonymous the way vote counts are? I think they're a really fun feature but need careful thought before UI incorporation. (ooh, maybe they'd make sense to keep pretty small and have in a similar position to where Reddit puts comment gilding?)

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 years ago (1 children)

For the UI, I was thinking they'd look similar to discord reactions, small, grouped, and at the bottom:

I was originally thinking anonymous, but I never thought of ppl using them for nefarious purposes...

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 years ago

You haven't been around people long enough =P

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 years ago

I could slightly cut down on small replies while still voicing your thoughts, so IMO that could be worth it.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 years ago (1 children)

I think they could be added, as long as they can be visually disabled in clients, for people that don't want the clutter (or maybe neatly hide them away, while still being in reach if needed). Also, custom emojis for sure, even in text content.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 years ago (1 children)

Federating custom emojis is Quite A Thing, if I understand correctly

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 years ago (1 children)

Mmm, I suppose so. @[email protected] how hard would you expect it to be?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 years ago (2 children)

I have to look into how reactions work in activitypub before proceeding... if its an attachment that's a just a picture url, then technically any picture would work.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 years ago
[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 years ago

Mastodon already has custom emojis. I'm not sure how it works, but it would probably best to look at their approach.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 years ago

Been lurking for a while but made an account to comment on this. My primary concern is that being able to see what other people think of something might mean you don't bother to read it yourself; downvotes have the same effect however their broadness of why a post might deserve one means you need to actually at least skim through something to see if it's unhelpful, false or badly-worded such that someone could misinterpret it. Downvotes help guide you when you aren't able to judge the quality of a comment on your own, emoji reactions could tell you how to feel about a comment before you even read it. If you dislike a post more than a downvote can represent, you need to comment on it to explain why it's bad, forcing you to write out your thoughts - perhaps collect some sources - and most likely proof read them before you comment. An emoji reaction, however, is literally one click away and one scroll later you probably won't even be able to remember it. A more abstract and slightly paranoid worry about it is that this was used by Facebook to track people, and implementing it in Lemmy could open the door to an instance making modifications and using this for the same thing. I know that Lemmy isn't Facebook, but that's precisely why I would rather not have these.

However, I do see a use for these in some communities, namely media-based ones where factual discussion is rare and opinionated (e.g. a community where people post drawings, or links to entertaining YouTube videos), for this reason I think it would perhaps be worth considering as an opt-in for some communities. Because comments typically do not contain media, if you do implement in on an opt-in bases it's probably worthwhile to allow enabling them for posts and comments independently. Some people may also not like them (UI clutter, prejudice, emojiphobia etc) so you should be able to hide them in user settings.

tl;dr this would make you pre-judge comments and posts, and make people react without explaining their thought process in a reply, however could be nice for some communities as an opt-in

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 years ago
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[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 years ago
[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 years ago

Positives: cool way to express your reaction.

Negatives: none. It’s all profit baby.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 years ago

Sounds good!

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 years ago

I’m in favor of them. It’s kind of like Reddit awards but without having to pay for them.

Maybe the community would have a kind of culture around them were πŸ¦ƒ is like the best emoji you could give a post.

It wouldn’t really make any sense but it works still be part of the culture of this platform.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago)

i think i'd be cute. tho i think they'd be more suitable for comments rather than posts

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 years ago (1 children)

yes please, that would be awesome

most of the time I find myself reading posts here that I have some thoughts about, but most of the time it's not worth/enough for a comment, but an emoji could capture that perfectly i think

i also think awards (yes, even paid ones) are a great idea, but that's a separate issue

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (1 children)

i think awards would be a good way for people to support independent instances

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago)

yeah, small visual customizations that don't affect much is imo a perfect form of monetization for social media, games and lot of other things 😎

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 years ago
[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 years ago

I think it would be cool if each server could also have custom emoji reactions as well.

But even without that, I feel like it could be like Reddit's badges (or whatever they were called), except that these are free

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago)

So, I was exploring a similar thing when I was talking about making a "debate oriented" instance.

Basically the idea is that responses can be "flaired", and you could make an empty comment, with that flair as a reaction.

I think it would be awesome to somehow bring both these features to fruition together.

EDIT: bundling this feature with "flair" would also presumably give communities more control over how these features are used (i.e. flair white/black list)

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 years ago

id be a fan of custom emotes, but the generic ones to find everywhere id be against, because theyre annoying, and cant be used in a serious context

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 years ago
[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 years ago (1 children)

Wouldn't that take away a bit of the sense of the voting system?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago)

I'm genuinely not sure yet how I feel about emoji reactions (I've never really used them or even thought about them) but I really feel like they don't take away from the voting system.

The arrow voting system's primary function is (or should be) sorting, and usually its secondary function is the agree/disagree button (if it weren't that way, votes would be just hearts like in Discourse). I've for a while now thought it might be beneficial for those two functions to be separate. In essence, and I never saw this implemented, I've imagined a comment system with two scores, one is the standard up-arrow/down-arrow score, for example in the reddit UI in the top left of a comment, and the second one is the approve/disapprove score, in the reddit UI paradigm, in the lower right (either as thumbs-up/down buttons, or as heart/upside-down heart buttons, or smiley/frowny buttons, or heart/broken heart buttons, or whatever. The second score, of course. wouldn't influence sorting, it would just be a visual marker of the comment's approval.

Plenty of times, I thought a comment contributed to a discussion, was well written, made me think, and I thought more people should see it, but I actually disagreed with its conclusions, so I second guessed if I should upvote it. Or the opposite, I thought a comment was a bit of topic, but it made me laugh, and I wanted it lower sorted but also somehow appreciated. This was all particularly relevant with many many comments in large threads where sorting is important and valuable, not so much on current small scale lemmy.

Either way, I feel emoji reactions would solve this problem, but they might bring in new ones. I haven't really thought about them too much.

It's hard to come up with a universally great commenting/voting system. Some times I think HN's bare bones system is better, sometimes I want to count the downvotes like on lemmy, sometimes I want something in between. And maybe, sometimes emoji's are good, I don't know.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 years ago

IMO, it'd be kind of redundant with the upvotes and downvotes, no? Like, you could already react positively or negatively with those.