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This is how the war could have ended in April 2022 (www.focus.de)

submitted 1 year ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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military neutrality
outlaw extreme nationalism
cede Crimea and part of Donbass
full Russian withdrawal
guarantor countries (🇨🇳🇺🇸🇫🇷🇬🇧🇹🇷) obliged to intervene within 3 days if Russia invades

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

cede Crimea and part of Donbass

full Russian withdrawal

These contradict each other.

The whole list is "Let the invader win and blame the victim" so go fuck yourself.

[+] [email protected] -7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

If you can't understand that things have gotten far worse for Ukraine in every respect in the past two years, while hundreds of thousands of people died, and millions more had their lives ruined, then kindly take your own advise. It's incredible how libs love to moralize while the actual tangible outcome of their actions is always nightmarish. This is what happens when people become completely disengaged from reality.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (3 children)

They didn't defend themselves strongly enough when Russia invaded Crimea in 2014, and Russia then invaded again. Why would letting Russia annex more land do anything other tha encourage them to finish the job they have clearly stated was fully conquering Ukraine?

You are the one denying reality. Or shilling for Putin more likely.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

Which “they” didn’t defend themselves strongly enough in 2014? The US-installed coup government or the people of Crimea who welcomed the Russian government?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Russia is literally in the process of fully conquering Ukraine as we speak. What part of that are you struggling to comprehend there?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The part where you think Ukraine should roll over and give up.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You mean the western backed regime in Ukraine that's kidnapping people off the street and forcing them to fight in a proxy war?

[–] [email protected] -3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Is today opposite day?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

It's so bad that even western media admits this, maybe try engaging with reality? https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/15/world/europe/ukraine-military-recruitment.html

[–] kae 0 points 1 year ago

Just be aware this poster is often posting pro-Russian, pro-China content. There's value in other points of view and not being myopic, but if you pay attention to posting trends or look at their history, there is a clear bias and/or agenda.

[–] girlfreddy 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Do people not have a right to an opinion? Or are you telling us what and how we should think and believe?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

People have the right to an opinion, and I have the right to point out the obvious idiocy of that opinion. If you have an actual counterpoint to what I said, then feel free to expound on it.

[–] kae -1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I love how libs always resort to smearing people instead of engaging with the actual points being made.

[–] kae -3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I enjoy how this comment seems to counter what another commenter said about you.

It's hardly a smear to point of a bias or perspective you hold. I'm not commenting on you, your politics, or worldview. Just pointing out that others should do their own research.

But if that is smearing in your perspective, and that makes me a 'lib', alright.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

It's very obvious why you made your comment and what you were trying to accomplish with it.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Seeing a lot of downvotes on this, so let just say for those who perhaps think focus is some hockus website....

Alongside Spiegel and Stern, Focus is one of the three most widely circulated German weeklies.

It is a well regarded German outlet.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

It might be a well regarded outlet, but it's not saying what people want to hear.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

BILD is also one of the most widely circulated German media outlets, that doesn't mean that their content isn't full of nonsense. Circulation says nothing about bias or lack thereof or even quality of journalism.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

It's a respected mainstream publication, if you're implying there are quality issues with their reporting then please substantiate that.